hey. given the V stats, i think its impossible to get off this hand. but would you call or even fold on this flop against a reg?


PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 188.8 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 12.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 140)
CO: 80 BB (VPIP: 40.23, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 2.59, Hands: 440)
BTN: 178.2 BB (VPIP: 22.12, PFR: 15.04, 3Bet Preflop: 6.31, Hands: 573)
SB: 97.6 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 128.8 BB (VPIP: 12.96, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 166)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
UTG+1: 30.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 23.21, PFR: 16.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.40, Hands: 239)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) Q 9 K
Hero bets 6 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, Hero raises to 31.8 BB, CO raises to 51.6 BB, Hero raises to 96 BB and is all-in, CO calls 24.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (161.4 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (161.4 BB, 2 players) A

Hero shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 81%, Flop 35%, Turn 23%)
CO shows T J (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 19%, Flop 65%, Turn 77%)
CO wins 154.8 BB

Boring standard hand.

Never folding top set OTF.

his range is just not JT, there's 99, QK, QcJc, QcTc... you could even throw the eventual QQ, AcTc but you don't need to:


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Board: Qh 9c Kc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.355% 51.81% 00.54% 12311 128.50 { KdKs }
Hand 1: 47.645% 47.10% 00.54% 11192 128.50 { 99, KQs, QcJc, QcTc, JTs, KQo, JTo }

Should you ever fold top set?

I guess some knowledge of v's postflop play could give some clues, but even the nittiest stats would only narrow him down to a very value heavy and strong drawing range which on that flop would still include mostly 2nd best hands.

It'd be an unnecessary hero fold given in the worst case scenario of j10 you still have over 30% equity.

he he probably would of raised pre with QQ

3Bet Preflop: 2.59, Hands: 440

with this stat probably he is not 3betting all QQ, but still I didn't put in on the range for pokerstove.. just saying its a small part of his range..

If you had your time over again, would you play it the same way?

I don't think we can get away from it here.

Obviously alarm bells need to be ringing when V clicks it back again, but we're ahead of QQ, 99, and QK and we really can't expect him to have flopped the nuts.

Nothing wrong with GII here.

I never like the fishy players with their min raises (pre or post) however I have experienced they usually have a strong hand and dont want to chase away. Either way with your hand there is no way you r not stacking off here.

Well played and welcome to variance.