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12-14-2015 , 12:48 PM

Clanty

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Checked back ott to allow him to bluff some Ax into me. Can I confidently call a pot sized river bet here with my blockers/V flat pre/V check OTT when A comes?

I was scared of 67 as it made sense for V to have it, but it bets smaller imo.

BTN: $18.46 (73.8 bb)
SB: $62.02 (248.1 bb)
BB: $22.55 (90.2 bb)
UTG: $41.04 (164.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $26.51 (106 bb)
CO: $51.31 (205.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) K

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB folds, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.75) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.75) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $4.54, Hero calls $4.54

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12-14-2015 , 01:06 PM

ChipsNcrisps

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I'd fold, especially when he bombs it to a pot sized bet. Check back OTT is fine IMO and i would have defo called a smaller river bet.

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12-14-2015 , 01:14 PM

drakelol

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just fold. Villain can have many 2p and 76 and flop was multiway, so we dont need to call this wide. Not convinced that a fish bets his 76 smaller. Also your blockers argument makes no sense. What are you trying to block?

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12-14-2015 , 01:17 PM

Clanty

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Originally Posted by drakelol

AK AQ that value bets an ace otr

Why would V check turn and then bomb river if he had 2p? That makes no sense

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12-14-2015 , 01:23 PM

mahsjdi

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I'd just fold and be happy thay villain can't value bet.

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12-14-2015 , 01:37 PM

drakelol

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Originally Posted by Clanty

AK AQ that value bets an ace otr

Why would V check turn and then bomb river if he had 2p? That makes no sense

First of all, we should discount some AK/AQ pre. Secondly, our Q also blocks his QJ and QT bluffs and whatever other crap he calls with pre. We dont have a good idea how our hand blocks a fish flat pre range, so ignore that. In general, blockers mean nothing vs wide fish ranges.

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12-14-2015 , 01:46 PM

Clanty

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Originally Posted by drakelol

What you said is correct, but it doesn't stop him from having air here and bluffing otr. He doesn't have much 2p here imo as the line makes literally no sense (c/c, c, POT BET) 67 is the only real hand he has.

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12-14-2015 , 03:25 PM

Winged Kuriboh

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I don't see why you think villain can't possibly have 2P because he didn't donk bet the turn. It's hard to make solid assumptions about a likely bad player's range because their line "doesn't make sense" as bad players will often take lines which don't make sense.

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12-14-2015 , 03:38 PM

Bladesman87

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A8/A9/K9/K8/89/88/99

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12-15-2015 , 04:03 AM

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alaggso

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Shouldn't you be betting the turn?

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12-15-2015 , 04:09 AM

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lardydardy

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Bigger flop sizing and I prefer to follow up with a 1/2 pot size bet on the turn to keep initiative. As played I don't hate the call on the river but not in love with the sizing. (I play 2nl/5nl Zoom so take it fwiw)

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12-15-2015 , 09:16 AM

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Clanty

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

A8/A9/K9/K8/89/88/99

Fair.

I just don't think those are checking turn then donking pot. Obv I cannot remove it from V's range completely, though.

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12-15-2015 , 09:23 AM

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mahsjdi

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Originally Posted by Clanty

Fair.

I just don't think those are checking turn then donking pot. Obv I cannot remove it from V's range completely, though.

Villain was probably going to x/c turn with all the hand combos bladesman87 gave him. But decided to donk river thinking you're going to x back alot.

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Originally Posted by alaggso

Shouldn't you be betting the turn?

No we don't get value from anything worse.

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12-15-2015 , 09:41 AM

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Denjua

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Its possible to have 67, but its more likely JT, or 2pair +. Unless we have info that V can bluff a hand like JT I wouldnt count on this being a bluff.

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12-15-2015 , 03:35 PM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by Clanty

Fair.

I just don't think those are checking turn then donking pot. Obv I cannot remove it from V's range completely, though.

Why not? He's checking to aggressor, which is completely normal, and then betting river when you check back. We have no idea what his bet sizing is like.

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12-15-2015 , 03:44 PM

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Kiwi_Shredder

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Barrel turn brah - KJ/KT will station one more street and villain still has a bunch of oesds + gutter balls.

I'm only expecting A8/A9s combos unless villain is a fish, in which case he can have loads more nuttish two pair ott with offsuit combos ....

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