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does this make sense to any of u does this make sense to any of u

07-04-2008 , 11:40 PM
2nd hand at table



Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BTN: $102.50
SB: $118.45
Hero (BB): $50
UTG: $63.80
MP: $44.70
CO: $51.45

Pre-Flop: T A dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.25) 7 4 T (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $3.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $8.50, MP calls $5

Turn: ($22.25) 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($22.25) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP bets $34.45 and is All-In, Hero
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07-04-2008 , 11:42 PM
Why did you check the flop and the turn?
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07-04-2008 , 11:44 PM
Why are you checking the turn? Its gonna put you in a tricky spot if he bets say 17$, if he checks and a o/c comes on the river it sucks to. As played easy call
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07-04-2008 , 11:53 PM
I think pf is a fold or squeeze here (leaning towards a fold without any reads). I can call ATs IP, but not from the blinds. Why are you raising this flop? What do you do if he 3-bet shoves here, do you call?

Also, you made your hand look like a draw after you raise and check turn.......its tough, but I think u can fold river here......
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07-04-2008 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by renegades8
Why did you check the flop and the turn?
why do u think I checked the flop. To c/r genious
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07-04-2008 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jub.
Why are you checking the turn? Its gonna put you in a tricky spot if he bets say 17$, if he checks and a o/c comes on the river it sucks to. As played easy call
are we usually ahead here? He bet called a multi-way raise here.......is he really doing this w/JT-KT?

Also, sessna, if you were going to c/r turn, the river should be a snap call for ya (if u were asking whether or not to call river) after inducing two streets
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07-05-2008 , 12:05 AM
i c/r the flop not turn
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07-05-2008 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sessna
why do u think I checked the flop. To c/r genious
TPTK is the nuts here in a 3-way pot amirite? You've gotten yourself lots of value here by c/r-ing lol, quite the spot you got yourself into, genius (sp).
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07-05-2008 , 12:07 AM
Does look like it could be a busted straight draw. Other possiblities I'd say are he has hit a set on turn or the river makes it fairly normal way to play it. Dont think most players would play two pair like this, however u havent given any info on the player so makes it harder to analyse.

Also i assume your thinking he is a bit mad or fishy if you plan to check raise two streets in a row? Coz well doesnt say much but i wouldnt bet the turn unless i had something when you chek raise flop.
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07-05-2008 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sessna
i c/r the flop not turn
Who says you c/r-ed the turn?

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Originally Posted by goblinhat
Does look like it could be a busted straight draw. Other possiblities I'd say are he has hit a set on turn or the river makes it fairly normal way to play it. Dont think most players would play two pair like this, however u havent given any info on the player so makes it harder to analyse.

Also i assume your thinking he is a bit mad or fishy if you plan to check raise two streets in a row? Coz well doesnt say much but i wouldnt bet the turn unless i had something when you chek raise flop.
I doubt it's 89 or 9J, I really doubt they take that line. I also doubt it's a set because of their line, especially a turned or rivered set. What hands are they opening with that hit two pair? I also doubt it's like an overpair or anything that often, I call here btw.
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07-05-2008 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bung
are we usually ahead here? He bet called a multi-way raise here.......is he really doing this w/JT-KT?

Also, sessna, if you were going to c/r turn, the river should be a snap call for ya (if u were asking whether or not to call river) after inducing two streets
Youd be surprised how light unkwns call a CR against unknowns I think
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07-05-2008 , 12:28 AM
fair enough jub., its funny, cuz I feel I need a read to continue to a multi-way raise lol, know what I mean?

also, my bad fellas, I misread that you were only going for the flop c/r and not the turn c/r
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07-05-2008 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by renegades8
Who says you c/r-ed the turn?


I doubt it's 89 or 9J, I really doubt they take that line. I also doubt it's a set because of their line, especially a turned or rivered set. What hands are they opening with that hit two pair? I also doubt it's like an overpair or anything that often, I call here btw.

Curious as to why u would eliminate the straight draw possiblilites?
I can see eliminating 22 and 55 coz of c/r on flop altho id still say it is possible (ok fairly unlikely)
Also curious here u say u call, what do u put the villian on in this hand to call?
Oh and my bad with c/r turn got confused.
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07-05-2008 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by goblinhat
Curious as to why u would eliminate the straight draw possiblilites?
I can see eliminating 22 and 55 coz of c/r on flop altho id still say it is possible (ok fairly unlikely)
Also curious here u say u call, what do u put the villian on in this hand to call?
Oh and my bad with c/r turn got confused.
If you have those hands do you take that line? It seems pretty bad imo. I just don't see what hands have you beat here that take that line. As I said in regards to the straight draw possibilities, they don't play 89 or 9J that way imo.
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07-05-2008 , 12:47 AM
river is an easy fold. obviously the guy isn't floating your multiway flop cr with nothing or overshoving something stupid like a QT on the river. i'd rather just lead flop. even c/c is better if villains aren't ******ed imo.
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07-05-2008 , 12:51 AM
looks like a missed draw? maybe he is doing this with a set. as played i call since you showed weakness on the turn
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07-05-2008 , 12:52 AM
A flop c/r overreps your hand imo. I'd rather c/c.
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07-05-2008 , 12:59 AM
uh, what busted draws is someone gonna have here? only draws are 89, 56, and 68. 68 made it. guy opened from mp. most don't open there with those hands, and even if they do, only the suited ones. so, you're looking at a total of 8 combos of draws max, assuming that the person opens with those hands, and assuming that they bet over 150% of the pot on the river if they miss. yeah, the line is weird, but its just gonna be some dbag that checked behind a huge hand on the turn a lot more often than its going to be some random super ******ed megabluff.
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07-05-2008 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by renegades8
If you have those hands do you take that line? It seems pretty bad imo. I just don't see what hands have you beat here that take that line. As I said in regards to the straight draw possibilities, they don't play 89 or 9J that way imo.
If i have 22 or 55 i fold on flop after raise. If i have 9J i deffo fold on flop after raise, 89 isnt soo bad i wouldnt say raise isnt exactly huge, I do hate chasing though. If i had a monster i dont think I'd slow play like this after hero has shown strength, I'd start betting earlier (nice disguise if it was).

So no i wouldnt really take this line, but from my point of view its a line that makes sense for many players.

Mainly think monster or bust draw coz of call on flop, checked turn and just the board havinga complete lack of high cards - maybe im stoopid but oh well. Having read daycare now think his post makes good bit of sense. For some reason something still tells me its a bluff.
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07-05-2008 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
yeah, the line is weird, but its just gonna be some dbag that checked behind a huge hand on the turn a lot more often than its going to be some random super ******ed megabluff.
QFT
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07-05-2008 , 01:28 AM
Grunching..

Your hand is too weak and the board is too dry to check/raise with top top. Check/raising without the intention of committing is really bad, especially when no overcards come to threaten your hand.

I'd just call the flop and re-evaluate the turn, most likely check/calling again to maximize vs. air/weaker hands.
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07-05-2008 , 01:35 AM
Villain likely has an overpair. By checking the turn and river you turned your hand face up and hes shoving the river for value.
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07-05-2008 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by renegades8
TPTK is the nuts here in a 3-way pot amirite? You've gotten yourself lots of value here by c/r-ing lol, quite the spot you got yourself into, genius (sp).
yes maybe I am raising for value. I wish a played every single board the same way like u and can make sarcastic posts about bad people play.
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07-05-2008 , 05:04 AM
fold pre imo
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07-05-2008 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FusterCluck
fold pre imo
+1. At least vs unknown /thread imo
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