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Does the Baluga theorem apply at 5nl?

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08-24-2009 , 08:34 PM

Brussels Sprout

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I was a recent arrival to the table and after 20 hands the villain was running at 63/0/1.4

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $6.00
BTN: $5.33
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $7.32
UTG: $7.09
UTG+1: $20.56
MP1: $17.79
MP2: $11.73

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.10) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.77, MP1 calls $0.77, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.64) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.85, MP1 raises to $3.70, Hero ?

Last edited by Brussels Sprout; 08-24-2009 at 09:02 PM.

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08-24-2009 , 09:17 PM

kar123

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The player is passive pre flop (the large gap between the VPIP and PRF). Given you have no other reads i'd assume he is also passive post flop and fold here. I think most of the time he'll show up with at least 2 pair in this situation.

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08-24-2009 , 09:56 PM

venice10

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Yes.

Probably more so, since far fewer unknowns (20 hands is an unknown) even can think that an excellent bluff is to raise the turn because so many good players know this concept.

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08-25-2009 , 01:58 AM

padstin

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yes also for 10nl, happened to me the other night but I stupidly called (brainsnap) however as soon as I hit call i though baluga & was not suprised when villan had me beat

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08-25-2009 , 02:48 AM

JH1

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The more passive players are the more Baluga applies. So yes, Baluga theorem especially applies at 5NL.

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Originally Posted by balugawhale's BW theorem post

You (100bb) have AK... Flop is A46... you cbet, get called... Turn is offsuit 8... you cbet and get raised - BALUGA

However, to slightly alter Isura's example, lets say we have AA... Flop K22... we cbet, get called... Turn is J... we cbet and get raised... Here, I think we should call. We are very likely to see KJ here, as well as AK or KQ

Re-evaluate one pair hands facing a raise = usually a fold unless hands you beat take this line.

Last edited by JH1; 08-25-2009 at 02:53 AM.

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08-25-2009 , 02:50 AM

AFchung

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5nl: Does the Baluga theorem apply here?

probably even moreso

esp with that minraise

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08-25-2009 , 03:34 AM

NewSkol

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It was said already, but Baluga applies throughout. Even more so at micro stakes. Also I try to use the concept from Pokey: "WAIT" (http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Number=7708066) once the Baluga moment happens.

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08-25-2009 , 08:21 AM

Brussels Sprout

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Thanks for your input. I did fold it and I do feel a lot better about it now. It's only the second time I've ever folded Aces in a cash game (the first being on a 4 to a flush board) and if I hadn't come across that theorem last week I probably would have called it down. I still had this irrational fear that I'd thrown away the best hand immediately after and almost asked the villain in the chatbax what he had but after thinking about it logically and after reading your comments here I'm glad I folded. Thanks Baluga Whale!

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08-25-2009 , 08:54 AM

kb coolman

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It applies at 25NL, too. I've also seen it from donks at 50NL. I would be so much better off finding the discipline to fold out here against the donks. But it's JUST SO HARD.

Good job.

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08-25-2009 , 09:01 AM

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TheDataKid

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5nl is extreeeeemely passive, so.. yeah. If you got raised and you have just one pair you are not losing sick much EV if you fold, even if you fold every single freeaaakin time

Its also a good tool to learn not how to mis click, fold left, call middle, raise right

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08-25-2009 , 09:45 AM

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NewSkol

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Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout

The most important part about the theorem is to understand that it does not state that you should FOLD! Instead it asks you to WAIT, not to make a quick decision. A turn raise means that you need to RE-EVALUATE... and if you evaluation dictates you should still call, call.

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