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Do I shove the River? Do I shove the River?

03-20-2012 , 11:12 AM
Player is a solid regular playing at 26/14

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $1.93
MP: $4.15
MP+1: $0.77
LP: $2.26
CO: $1.99
Hero (BTN): $3.02
SB: $2.50
BB: $1.13
UTG: $1.04

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.10, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.31, 3 players) Q J A
BB checks, MP bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.48, fold, MP calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.27, 2 players) A
MP checks, Hero bets $1.23, MP calls $1.23

River: ($3.73, 2 players) 9
MP checks, Hero checks


Generally I find at 2NL, Solid players raise 10c meaning that they want value with their hands, so when the flop comes and he bets into me I have him on AK or AQ, set of Aces or a set of Jacks. I decide to 3bet to see where I am at and I get a call, I'm thinking set of aces or set of jacks played slow. He then checks the turn to me and I bet pot into him. If he had a Quad A's or AAAQQ, he would have 3 bet wouldnt he here?, he called. So now I'm not bothered about the Jacks, but I'm still afraid he's slow playing a monster that's bigger than mine and he checks and I check behind him.

Should I have shoved the river here?
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03-20-2012 , 11:29 AM
What is villains limp/call %?
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03-20-2012 , 11:30 AM
^That.

Definatly going to need info like that so we can narrow down his preflop range. And from there we continue putting together the poker puzzle.
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03-20-2012 , 11:35 AM
I think the flop range you give the villain is too tight. Villains will donk with pair + flush draw, pair + straight draw, or a weird top pair type hand. I think all of these will call a flop raise and a large turn bet.

If you're afraid of a set, I would still go with your hand since you have middle set. The likelihood of him having AA goes down when the turn pops out another A.

Turn looks okay.

Yeah, I think a shove is best. Sure he can have AJ or A9 or whatever, but the number of hands that will call a shove that you beat are greater than the hands that have you beat. He would essentially call any A here or a weaker full house, or a flopped straight. This villain is playing 1/4 of the deck, so he probably has a wide variety of hands here (the majority of which you beat)

I would probably also 3bet preflop unless he had like a 85% fold to 3bet or something.
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03-20-2012 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SA16
What is villains limp/call %?
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Originally Posted by conquistador28
^That.
Huh? There's no limp/call here?!

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheGrave
I think the flop range you give the villain is too tight. Villains will donk with pair + flush draw, pair + straight draw, or a weird top pair type hand. I think all of these will call a flop raise and a large turn bet.
Are we all looking at different hands?!

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Originally Posted by mickl84
Player is a solid regular playing at 26/14
I can pretty much guarantee you that a guy playing 26/14 at 10nl, and then cbetting 0.06 into 0.31 isn't "solid".
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03-20-2012 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SA16
What is villains limp/call %?
Villain didn't limp/call, villain open raised.
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03-20-2012 , 11:39 AM
What stats on PT3 would I need to look for to identify those?
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03-20-2012 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
I can pretty much guarantee you that a guy playing 26/14 at 10nl, and then cbetting 0.06 into 0.31 isn't "solid".
Fair enough, how about the hand?
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03-20-2012 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mickl84
Fair enough, how about the hand?
Take him to valuetown, you've got pretty much the nuts and he's never folding an A.
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03-20-2012 , 11:42 AM
River easy shove, he calls with less enough times and you only have $1.21 left and the pot is $3.73. If he's a solid reg as you say and he has the nuts then he bets the river because you almost certainy must call with only $1.21 behind.
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03-20-2012 , 11:42 AM
Ahhh sorry I misread it. We'll how often is he donking the flop then? And have you ever seen him do something like this before (betting 6c into 31c?). Assuming you've played with him some you should ideally have some sort of note taken on what it means when he donks out super small. Is he trying to milk the goat by stringing you along betting very small? Is he trying to get away with a cheap bluff?
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03-20-2012 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SA16
Ahhh sorry I misread it. We'll how often is he donking the flop then?
Go back to bed imo....
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03-20-2012 , 12:46 PM
bet pot on the river.
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03-20-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by poker122988
bet pot on the river.
The pot on the river $3.73, hero has $1.21 behind so pretty much impossible
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