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04-02-2018 , 12:01 PM

DrewlingFLPoker

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Background. Hero here is known to make bets with C bets and when I have it. I've preflopped raised $17 with a wide range on button in limped pots. I get Ad Ah on button. 2 limps in front. I make it $17. bb and sb call. Rest fold. Flop is 6h 5h 4d. Checks to me I bet $30. Sb folds. BB who is a call station. Shoves for 126 more ($156) total.

With a wet board here....do you fold to the unusual action. What hand do you put him on? Fyi he had called almost every preflop raise with a huge range.

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04-02-2018 , 12:02 PM

DrewlingFLPoker

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I'll update what he had and what I did I just want unbiased opinions first.

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04-02-2018 , 12:15 PM

RichGangi

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Vs the type of villain described, the answer is a resounding no. Esp. since it's only 4x more.

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04-02-2018 , 01:38 PM

DrewlingFLPoker

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Originally Posted by RichGangi

Vs the type of villain described, the answer is a resounding no. Esp. since it's only 4x more.

He had a wide range but he was no fool. He would call on draws but I had yet to see him jam. I eliminated a set quickly because i didn't think he was good enough to polarize a set. But 64? Maybe AQh at best? I just didn't know if a $126 call was worth it. With only $47 invested.

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04-02-2018 , 02:00 PM

Feldheimer1

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Lots of draws and overpairs against your aces. Agree with the wide range, particularly as it's looking like a family pot pre. You're not losing to much on the flop other than 9 sets or a flopped straight, that's about 20 combos (I think). I think Axh is reasonable here, plus other draws which likely have decent equity. Yeah 2pair is also reasonable, I guess.

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04-02-2018 , 02:15 PM

Rapid_Fire

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You have 50% equity against a range of JJ-33,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s,87o,76o,65o,54o,43o, with pot paying 2:1, easy call.

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04-02-2018 , 02:31 PM

JamesBJames

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Call, not close. Villain can have so much worse.

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Originally Posted by DrewlingFLPoker

AQhh isn't possible FWIW.

If you start widening ranges to include very unlikely hands like 64s, then you also widen the portion of villain's hands that hit this flop but have worse equity than you have.

Even if we are ridiculously MUBSy and give villain a range of, I dunno, JJ-44,87s,64s+,54s,32s,87o,64o+,54o,32o (that is, every single straight, all sets, every single two pair, no flush draws, some overpairs), we still have to call.

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04-02-2018 , 03:57 PM

DrewlingFLPoker

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Well you guys were right. I talked myself into he could have too many draws or hands to roll against. I folded. He showed Qd Qh. I regretted it before I saw his hand. Just felt i had so little invested and so much to fade. Nit fold for sure.

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04-02-2018 , 04:00 PM

DrewlingFLPoker

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

Call, not close. Villain can have so much worse.

AQhh isn't possible FWIW.

If you start widening ranges to include very unlikely hands like 64s, then you also widen the portion of villain's hands that hit this flop but have worse equity than you have.

Even if we are ridiculously MUBSy and give villain a range of, I dunno, JJ-44,87s,64s+,54s,32s,87o,64o+,54o,32o (that is, every single straight, all sets, every single two pair, no flush draws, some overpairs), we still have to call.

I saw him call AKs on a $8 raise. And AQ off on a $20 raise. I think Axh at any combo was possible for him.

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04-02-2018 , 04:06 PM

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SharkytheFish

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Fire

You have 50% equity against a range of JJ-33,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s,87o,76o,65o,54o,43o, with pot paying 2:1, easy call.

Not folding with the draws out there and our backdoor nfd but the range above seems a bit too wide. Doubt villain is limp/calling pre with JJ/10s

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04-02-2018 , 04:53 PM

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Rapid_Fire

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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish

Not folding with the draws out there and our backdoor nfd but the range above seems a bit too wide. Doubt villain is limp/calling pre with JJ/10s

OK, take away the JJ, my point is still valid, and pretty much the same thing JamesBJames is making, which is it's a call even if you figure he hit this flop hard.

Are you really 3 betting TT here out of position? If so, what amount between 32 and All-in? When you raise TT, what is your plan if it comes back 4 bet?

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04-02-2018 , 05:12 PM

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Abelian

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Yeah, I think you have to call.

This type of play feels like a scared overpair on a wet board (or possibly a fd, if he has that shove in him, or is a little tilted from previous play).

Vs an aggressive player (yourself), weaker/cally players all seem to trap sets+ until the at least the turn.

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04-03-2018 , 09:46 AM

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DrewlingFLPoker

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Originally Posted by Abelian

Yeah I almost immediately dismissed a set for that reason.

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