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Did I outlevel myself? Did I outlevel myself?

01-10-2010 , 12:20 PM
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $4.57
UTG: $4.92
MP: $15.59
CO: $4.93
BTN: $6.95

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with J A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.48, 1 fold

MP was a maniac running at 84/50 or something. CO is unknown. I figure a call is okay since I'll have position for the rest of the hand and I definitely crush MP's range.

Flop: ($1.55) A Q 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, MP folds

Turn: ($3.05) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.05, Hero folds

Hero tanks and folds. Villian had just over $1 behind so I basically took his turn bet as a shove. I put him on AQ exactly... but after the hand was over I think maybe I shoul've put him all in. I'm still confused. What do you guys suggest here?
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01-10-2010 , 12:23 PM
Arrr in
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01-10-2010 , 12:28 PM
I don't think position means what you think it means.
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01-10-2010 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Stackajawea
I don't think position means what you think it means.
Honestly, these responses are not helpful at all...
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01-10-2010 , 12:35 PM
WEEEEEEEEEEE IM ARRRRRRRR IN
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01-10-2010 , 12:36 PM
1) being in position means you get to act last
2) why would CO have AQ here?
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01-10-2010 , 12:40 PM
Why call such a big pf raise from oop with AJs? I think a pf fold is ok in this spot but if you call why check the flop after you hit it with TP and its draw heavy? You check call the flop despite believing your hand is strong and then fold the turn to a pot size bet from an "aggressive" pf raiser after a blank hits? You fold because you put MP on exactly AQ. Why do you think he has AQ and if you thought he had AQ why call pf and on the flop? MP could have a variety of hands to include two pair but also sets and KK, JJ or even AK, but as you played this hand so passively and with no consideration for post flop play there was little chance you wouldnt be giving him your money?

Last edited by ditch-digger73; 01-10-2010 at 12:47 PM.
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01-10-2010 , 12:59 PM
The later you are to act, the better position you have, because you can see what others do before you act yourself, meaning you get a lot of information about their hand strength etc. Thats the reason you didn`t have the position against pre-flop aggressor.

First think I saw, MP raised 10 x big blind, and CO called (call shows usually weakness, but he must have have something to call this raise). You had only $5 in your stack, raise was 10% of your stack, and you didn´t have the position. So I wouldn`t make the call in this situation, because you were shortstacked and you were first to act IN THE FLOP wtih a hand that is easily dominated (AJsuited) - I wouldn`t make the call in first place, in this spot you can call only with very strong hand, like AA, KK, AKsuited.

On the flop check-call was weak, because you don´t know if your hand is good enough, you don´t get enough information. You can bet-fold, meaning you lead out with a bet and if opponent raises you fold, because there is a good chance that he is holding AK; AQ or even QQ or AA.

And other thing don`t call big % of your stack if you don`t go all the way.
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01-10-2010 , 01:01 PM
Hi guys. Thanks for repsonses.

My bad on the whole 'position' issue. A 16 post count doesn't always mean the OP is a noob. Guess I was just slightly offended. But considering the misread on my part I guess its reasonable to assume...

Thanks for confirming a shove. Don't know what I was thinking at the time. I did consider folding pf due to the big raise size... Reasoning at the time was trying to hit the flush or dry flop with an A and rags or a Qxx board. Honestly I thought MP might bet big, with CO folding and a check-raise was in order...

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Originally Posted by ditch-digger73
Why call such a big pf raise from oop with AJs? I think a pf fold is ok in this spot but if you call why check the flop after you hit it with TP and its draw heavy? You check call the flop despite believing your hand is strong and then fold the turn to a pot size bet from an "aggressive" pf raiser after a blank hits? You fold because you put MP on exactly AQ. Why do you think he has AQ and if you thought he had AQ why call pf and on the flop? MP could have a variety of hands to include two pair but also sets and KK, JJ or even AK, but as you played this hand so passively and with no consideration for post flop play there was little chance you wouldnt be giving him your money?
You've got the positions slightly confused. MP was the maniac player that ended up check folding. The villian was an unknown who eventually turned out to be a rocksolid reg.

My reasoning was somewhat influenced by 'big turn raises generally mean the NUTS' ie two pair a set etc from the CO. However, my passive line messes slighly with this logic as I'm not sure if he is just playing back at me.

How would you play this after knowing CO is a nitty reg? Please comment preflop and then assume as played and comment post flop against this nit.
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