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Did I miss value ? Did I miss value ?

03-11-2011 , 02:22 PM
    Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8169262

    Hero (SB): $45.05 (90.1 bb)
    BB: $149 (298 bb)
    UTG: $16.70 (33.4 bb)
    MP: $64.90 (129.8 bb)
    CO: $52.80 (105.6 bb)
    BTN: $68.20 (136.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 7
    UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds

    Flop: ($4) K 4 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks

    Turn: ($4) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2, MP calls $2

    River: ($8) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $6, MP raises to $15, Hero calls $9




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    By not shoving? I thought the Ten probably helped him. It could be a set of tens (3 combinations) or QJ(16) or KT (9). So I could be behind and I just called. But QJ could have folded the turn...

    Last edited by ZFC; 03-11-2011 at 02:48 PM. Reason: spoiler removal
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    03-11-2011 , 02:42 PM
    Hide results. Reads would be helpful. A TAG is c-betting QJ and not calling the turn with just a gutter. KT is betting the flop most of the time. TT is def possible.
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    03-11-2011 , 03:00 PM
    Why is your turn bet so small? Board is wet enough where you can mash the turn and still get called by worse. You're missing out a lot of value in those spots.
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    03-11-2011 , 03:02 PM
    What worse are you hoping to get called by?
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    03-11-2011 , 03:05 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NWJim
    Why is your turn bet so small? Board is wet enough where you can mash the turn and still get called by worse. You're missing out a lot of value in those spots.
    Because since he didn't c-bet and the 9 probably didn't helped him I assumed he was weak and would fold to a bigger bet.
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    03-11-2011 , 03:11 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 999
    What worse are you hoping to get called by?
    Under-pairs, Ax or Kx with a weak kicker, KT probably, that chose not to c-bet.
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    03-11-2011 , 03:20 PM
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    Originally Posted by ZFC
    Because since he didn't c-bet and the 9 probably didn't helped him I assumed he was weak and would fold to a bigger bet.
    Its hard to say with certainty but lets go through this scenario with assuming villain is either a TAG or a fish.

    A TAG will likely c-bet all TP hands, and air hands. Although I don't agree with checking back to pot control with a pocket pair below K, I've seen 'TAGs' deathly afraid to bet non top pair type hands on dry-ish 1-overcard flops. If this is a TAG, his check back range is most likely going to be a weak-ish underpair type hand he hope to pot control and see a cheap showdown. If he does have TT, while the turn card doesn't help him, it certainly won't scare him. Since a lot of regs auto-bet turn if flop is checked back by default, I expect him to peel a lot of a 1-pair type hands to reevaluate the river. You can probably bet closer to $3 and a TAG will still call with what he has.

    Since I don't claim to know what fish is thinking about, then think about how you can extract max value. Fish doesn't take much convincing to see another card. I mean, the point of poker is to see showdowns right? So is a fish anymore likely going to fold a draw or a gutshot or 2nd pair if you bet $3 instead of $2?
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    03-11-2011 , 03:39 PM
    I suppose a 3$ wouldn't make much of a difference and would allow me to fire a bigger river bet too. I also thought a smaller bet could induce a raise, especially if he had air.
    Thinking about my game when I bet the turn I often bet between 1/2-2/3 of the Pot where at the river I tend to make bigger bets. Maybe I should look into that more.
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    03-11-2011 , 05:47 PM
    Did you think about leading the flop?
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    03-11-2011 , 06:10 PM
    I bet more turn, why slow it down? We have value and would like to end it right away, but yeah its really dry board so thats why we slow down abit i guess.
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    03-11-2011 , 09:01 PM
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    Originally Posted by socalsucka
    Did you think about leading the flop?
    I did but I don't often employ that often when I flop a set but he could have mistakenly interpret this a betting a draw I guess.
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    03-11-2011 , 09:30 PM
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    Originally Posted by ZFC
    I did but I don't often employ that often when I flop a set but he could have mistakenly interpret this a betting a draw I guess.
    This doesn't sound like a good way to usually play flopped sets.
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    03-11-2011 , 09:59 PM
    Don't donk the flop. Hump the turn. As played, meeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhh pot odds.
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    03-11-2011 , 09:59 PM
    I´d bet bigger OTT and would just b/c the river.
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    03-11-2011 , 10:01 PM
    Was the guy aggro? I think I probably would have played it similarly to you
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    03-11-2011 , 10:17 PM
    putting him on QJ is prob a bad idea. If he has QJ its prob just 4 suited combos of it and doubt he floats the turn with it considering he has no SD value if he misses and only has a 4 outer.

    If you give him TT in his range he can def have KT and even 9T in his range that picked up SD value on the turn even 99.He can also have 44.I think you put villian on to tight of a range and deff missed value on turn and river.

    We can bet turn prob 3.80$ cause he is calling any bet here if he thinks hes good and folding if he has air.So our betsize has no real meaning except straight up value from his SD hands.

    And this line villian takes is deff something that picked up a better hand along the way.
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    03-11-2011 , 10:20 PM
    Im 3 betting here to 18 get value from his aces
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