PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 196 BB
MP: 180.2 BB
Hero (CO): 121.4 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 22 BB
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) A J 4
MP bets 4.6 BB, Hero calls 4.6 BB

Turn: (18.6 BB, 2 players) T
MP bets 13.4 BB, Hero calls 13.4 BB

River: (45.4 BB, 2 players) Q
MP bets 32.8 BB, Hero calls 32.8 BB


I was very happy with my river call, maybe I shouldn't be? In this instance Villain had TJ. I made a note that he's a fish and bets the flop with middle pair and I should also note that he limp/calls TJo from ep too I guess.

When he bet the flop I thought that two pair was definitely quite likely and certainly within his range the way he played it. However, I'm getting 3 to 1, I need 25% equity - easy call.

What do you think about my turn call?

I tanked on the river, thinking how does anyone bet here without a King, but I wasn't giving him credit for AK because of the way he played pre-flop and thought the chances of him having a lower two pair hand or a missed flush draw were high, so I called and I was right this time. What do you think about river call?

I'm going to do some math and equity calculations on this one, but haven't done so yet..

Should be a profitable call down. Don't think we can be too precise though. Flop could be a raise

flop and turn - easy calls, never folding.

river is the only real decision.
Find it hard to believe that he has a King with this line, unless he has Kx of hearts, so I don't mind a call. V betting the river for this size with JT is really strange and bad, I guess its a bluff

Unless he's extremely passive, he can't have AK, so his only king is KJ and the flush. Maybe KT (unless he double barrel donk with any two cards...). I think he's more likely to have some 2 pairs. I don't like it THAT much because often against these fish you come up with a reasoning why they can't have something then you call and they precisely have it because none of their action made any sense.

But you're getting a decent price, he could be value betting worse, or bluff with missed draws.

Limping from MP and showing up with a hand that shouldn't be limping or even raising from MP is exactly what you can expect from someone limping from MP.

I think I'm also raising the flop. You can only be beat by A4, J4, unless he is extremely passive (do you have a hud?), in that case AK and AJ is possible.

The game I play AQ beats A4 and J4

That puts us in a very uncomfortable position if we get 4bet. Would you prefer 3bet/F here to a call?

Sure they do, but I was thinking about raising the flop, and you hit the Q on the river, right?

You did say it haha, sorry, I misunderstood Gabl. Yes I guess A4 and AJ do make up a small part of his range. Perhaps it should be a raise? Though against an unknown perhaps not? I'd like to hear what others think...

(I have a hud but had played very few hands against V.)

bad spot for sure, but how often does limp caller go for the donk and re-raise flop line.

I've done some equity calculations. please correct me if you think any of the maths or ranges are way off.

Flop:
EV Req'd = 4.6/(14 + 4.6) = .247 = 25%.
Range given to Villain = JJ,44,A4s,ATs-AQs,KJs+,JhTh,ATo-AQo,Ah*h,KhTh (which is obviously very generous, given his actual holding of TJo)

Against this range we have 50% equity...ridiculously easy call

Turn:
Ev Req'd = 13.4/(32+13.4) = 0.295 = 30%
Range given to V = (as above? - not sure that there's anything that needs to be adjusted in this case?)

Against this range we have 37% equity...easy call

River
Ev Req'd = 30%
Range given to V = (again I don't see any reason to adjust his range here?)

Against this range we now have 60% equity...Easy call

Good question! From experience you would say that is rare?.. I mean it wouldn't make any sense of course but then again trying to look logically at decisions that are devoid of logic is a pointless exercise I would say. The reality is that most fish just aren't aware of how to logically make sensible poker decisions. I would fear that if we raise here and get re-raised (with any junk) we might be forced to fold the best hand despite the play not making any sense because Villain's range does conceivably contain quite a few combos that beat us. What do you think?

I raise most donk bets and calldown vs >80% bet.
I don't see too many fancy donk bets even on higher limits. Usually it's some kind of made hand / info bet. In that case raising should even be the better option vs KQ KT type hands.

Actually, some a bit more aggressive donks donk bet all te time. But it's a specific situation, and pokerbetts said the sample is small.

And I agree I wouldn't rely on "the action doesn't make much sense" too much as someone who limp/calls from MP is most likely a very bad player.

Yeah its rare spot imo, whereas the donk is frequent and often a second pair / air, not often a strong hand. Fish will defend by calling mostly

Warning! Could be a silly question here Do you mean in this spot Fishtankz or in general i.e with your entire range? That is to say You raise most donk bets when you have TPGK type hands?

.. and then calldown vs bets continuation bets that are 80% of the pot and more?