This maniac was running 86/59/3.9 (632 hands). I'm obviously 99.9% sure this is a mis-click as he often raises to $1.25 pre flop.

He has built his stack from a combination of suck-outs and players calling him down light due to his table image.

Players to act behind me are:

Button 22/14/2.3
SB 19/17/3.5
BB 23/11/1.3

Would you play for stacks in this spot?

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BB: $38.14
UTG: $19.20
MP: $201.42
Hero (CO): $121.40
BTN: $44.64
SB: $63.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A Q
1 fold, MP raises to $125, Hero ?

fold

Na i fold if hes a maniac as it seems I wait for a better situation.

yap, fold
also im crazy about this kind of goldmine - when I hit one on tables I dont leave until he leaves

Fold, dont like getting AQo AI 250 deep

Thanks.

I did fold, and so did everyone else. The player admitted it was a mis-click and said he had 75.

I was obviously well ahead of his range but it still felt like a marginal situation with stacks so deep.

Just because he said that doesnt mean he was being truthful...

If you're really anywhere near that sure, you have to call. you're about 2:1 vs his range. This is way too big an edge to pass up for 500BB.

This.

Not to be a dick, but WTF? Maybe try and think a bit deeper than platitudes, guys? You guys get 100BB in on the flop with 2pair+ and big draws, right? So you're routinely flipping 80-100BB stacks for like 30-40BB dead money. There you win and average of 1/4-1/5 your stack every time. Here you win an average of 1/3 of your stack. Much bigger edge, five times the money. In a game of pushing small edges, here's a hudge edge for 5 BI, and you want to wait for a better spot? How much better do you think it gets?

Against a completly random hand your 65/35, if your sure its a misclick sure call, but this is AK alot of the time from what Ive seen, the times that this exact situation comes up when your both 250BBs deep is so minimal that I dont think its gonna effect your rate that much at all

Yes.....thats what's niggling me about this hand. I think my decision was clouded by the stack sizes.

If his standardraise is really 1.25 I'd probably call. It would be a sick level if he raised to $125 specific for this reason with AA. It's high variance but definatly +EV IMO. It's like shoving over your straight forward unimaginative friend with any2 when he makes it 30x preflop and types "crap" on msn :P

I don't see the point in playing for stacks with AQo just because it's a misclick from a maniac. I'd wait for a better spot.

It's 500BB, not just 250. And against the top 50% (roughly villain's raising range) you're also about 65/35. It all depends on how often he did misclick. This is never AK, IMO. It's AA or a misclick. So we need it to be a misclick about 70% of the time to break even.

Your EV is like +175BB. If that's not good enough reason, you're doing it wrong.

Thought it was 50nl, I def fold then, just cause 5buyin swings are not fun, even if it is a little bit of a loss in EV, if I were to lose I would probably tilt. Bankroll is also a factor here, if you have 20BIs for your limit its a easy fold I think, more BIs = more tending to call

Yeah, lowering variance is the only rational reason to pass this up. But having so much cash on the table that you aren't willing to go all in is a huge leak, especially against somebody this aggressive. And if we pass this up b/c we're not bankrolled for it we should have left the table 3 buyins ago.

But we didn't, so I'm assuming our only concern is maximising our earn. Maybe folding now give you a better chance (since you're deep and in position) to get 3 1/2 more BI out of this guy before somebody else does, but I doubt it.

lol

If I had seen him make this raise size multiple times, I would call with AQo. But if this was the first time ever, I would fold.

I don't think this was a misclick cuz he would have had to "accidentally" slide the raise slider that far to the right. I think he probably just picked up a big hand.

Am I the only one here who types?

I didn't see any other mis-clicks from him andcertainly no ridiculously big pre-flop open raises.

Some of the other big pots he played:

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Villian (UTG): $62.66
eranick (CO): $25.00
facumadryn (BTN): $10.01
chadattak (SB): $21.23
darek_1987pl (BB): $22.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35)
Villian calls $0.25, 3 folds, darek_1987pl raises to $1.25, Villian raises to $3.50, darek_1987pl calls $2.25

Flop: ($7.10) 6 2 2 (2 players)
darek_1987pl checks, Villian bets $5, darek_1987pl raises to $19.45 all in, Villian calls $14.45

Turn: ($46.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($46.00) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $46.00
Villian shows A J (a flush, Ace high)
darek_1987pl mucks J J (a flush, Jack high)
Villian wins $44.00
(Rake: $2.00)


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utoopico (BB): $25.00
edwi19 (UTG): $24.50
Villian (MP): $97.88
teecee90 (CO): $29.16
Stalkergs (BTN): $25.00
Ungle_27o (SB): $68.77

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is CO with 6 3
1 fold, Villian calls $0.25, 1 fold, Stalkergs raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Villian raises to $3.25, Stalkergs raises to $25 all in, Villian calls $21.75

Flop: ($50.35) 9 8 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($50.35) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($50.35) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.35
Villian shows Q Q (a flush, King high)
Stalkergs mucks J J (two pairs, Jacks and Nines)
Villian wins $47.84
(Rake: $2.51)


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utoopico (UTG): $25.37
edwi19 (MP): $36.41
Villian (CO): $89.72
teecee90 (BTN): $31.60
FieryGambit7 (SB): $25.00
Ungle_27o (BB): $93.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is BTN with 3 9
1 fold, edwi19 raises to $1, Villian raises to $3, 3 folds, edwi19 raises to $7, Villian raises to $11, edwi19 raises to $36.41 all in, Villian calls $25.41

Flop: ($73.17) 6 8 A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($73.17) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($73.17) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $73.17
edwi19 mucks K K (a pair of Kings)
Villian shows J A (a pair of Aces)
Villian wins $70.17
(Rake: $3.00)


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utoopico (CO): $24.22
XHUELSEBECKX (BTN): $24.40
Villian (SB): $129.33
teecee90 (BB): $30.75
FieryGambit7 (UTG): $25.00
Ungle_27o (MP): $88.42

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is BB with J A
3 folds, XHUELSEBECKX calls $0.25, Villian raises to $0.75, teecee90 calls $0.50, XHUELSEBECKX calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 9 Q 8 (3 players)
Villian bets $0.75, teecee90 calls $0.75, XHUELSEBECKX raises to $2, Villian raises to $3.25, teecee90 folds, XHUELSEBECKX calls $1.25

Turn: ($9.50) 4 (2 players)
Villian bets $8, XHUELSEBECKX raises to $20.40 all in, Villian calls $12.40

River: ($50.30) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.30
XHUELSEBECKX mucks Q J (a pair of Queens)
Villian shows 9 Q (two pairs, Queens and Nines)
Villian wins $47.79
(Rake: $2.51)


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utoopico (UTG): $30.34
Loula777 (MP): $12.00
Villian (CO): $142.37
teecee90 (BTN): $34.65
FieryGambit7 (SB): $25.00
RoyalGreg (BB): $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is BTN with 8 5
utoopico raises to $1, 1 fold, Villian raises to $4.75, 2 folds, RoyalGreg raises to $11.25, 1 fold, Villian calls $6.50

Flop: ($23.60) 7 4 3 (2 players)
RoyalGreg bets $3, Villian raises to $10.75, RoyalGreg raises to $13.75 all in, Villian calls $3

Turn: ($51.10) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($51.10) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $51.10
Villian shows A 5 (a straight Ace to Five)
RoyalGreg mucks Q Q (a pair of Queens)
Villian wins $48.55
(Rake: $2.55)


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utoopico (UTG): $29.21
Loula777 (MP): $16.35
Villian (CO): $167.60
teecee90 (BTN): $25.00
FieryGambit7 (SB): $47.60
RoyalGreg (BB): $38.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is BTN with 9 7
1 fold, Loula777 calls $0.25, Villian raises to $0.50, 2 folds, RoyalGreg raises to $1.75, Loula777 calls $1.50, Villian raises to $6, RoyalGreg calls $4.25, Loula777 calls $4.25

Flop: ($18.10) Q 3 A (3 players)
RoyalGreg checks, Loula777 bets $10, Villian calls $10, RoyalGreg raises to $32.60 all in, Loula777 calls $0.35 all in, Villian calls $22.60

Turn: ($93.65) 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($93.65) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)


Final Pot: $93.65
Loula777 shows T Q (a pair of Queens)
Villian shows A 8 (two pairs, Aces and Eights)
RoyalGreg mucks K A (a pair of Aces)
Villian wins $43.95
Villian wins $46.70
(Rake: $3.00)


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reenthedream (BB): $25.00
benm09 (UTG): $15.65
Villian (MP): $248.35
teecee90 (CO): $27.40
FieryGambit7 (BTN): $25.00
RoyalGreg (SB): $35.43

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is CO with T 4
1 fold, Villian calls $0.25, 1 fold, FieryGambit7 raises to $1.25, 2 folds, Villian raises to $3.25, FieryGambit7 raises to $25 all in, Villian calls $21.75

Flop: ($50.35) K 3 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($50.35) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($50.35) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.35
Villian shows T A (a pair of Aces)
FieryGambit7 mucks J J (a pair of Jacks)
Villian wins $47.84
(Rake: $2.51)


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reenthedream (SB): $43.62
benm09 (BB): $36.88
Villian (UTG): $255.84
teecee90 (MP): $28.51
FieryGambit7 (CO): $45.39
RoyalGreg (BTN): $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is MP with Q Q
Villian raises to $1.75, teecee90 raises to $6.50, 4 folds, Villian raises to $30, teecee90 calls $22.01 all in

Flop: ($57.37) Q K 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($57.37) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($57.37) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $57.37
Villian shows J A (a pair of Jacks)
teecee90 shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
Villian wins $0.00
teecee90 wins $54.51
(Rake: $2.86)


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reenthedream (CO): $39.72
megalucker11 (BTN): $25.00
Villian (SB): $217.95
FieryGambit7 (BB): $43.84
RoyalGreg (UTG): $49.45

Pre Flop: ($0.35)
2 folds, megalucker11 raises to $1, Villian raises to $3, 1 fold, megalucker11 calls $2

Flop: ($6.25) 7 5 9 (2 players)
Villian bets $4.94, megalucker11 raises to $22 all in, Villian calls $17.06

Turn: ($50.25) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($50.25) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.25
megalucker11 shows T 8 (a pair of Eights)
Villian shows A T (high card Ace)
megalucker11 wins $48.25
(Rake: $2.00)


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MR_Complex (SB): $14.85
pokerbasti6 (BB): $33.29
Villian (UTG): $272.80
teecee90 (MP): $46.11
FieryGambit7 (CO): $59.56
SootetQueens (BTN): $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is MP with J A
Villian calls $0.25, teecee90 raises to $1.25, FieryGambit7 raises to $4.50, 2 folds, pokerbasti6 calls $4.25, Villian raises to $18.50, 1 fold, FieryGambit7 raises to $59.56 all in, pokerbasti6 calls $28.79 all in, Villian calls $41.06

Flop: ($153.76) 2 3 7 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($153.76) 3 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($153.76) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $153.76
pokerbasti6 mucks K Q (a pair of Threes)
Villian shows 4 A (a pair of Threes)
FieryGambit7 shows K K (two pairs, Kings and Threes)
FieryGambit7 wins $52.54
FieryGambit7 wins $98.22
(Rake: $3.00)


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MR_Complex (SB): $13.52
pokerbasti6 (BB): $25.68
Villian (UTG): $191.58
teecee90 (CO): $55.21
SootetQueens (BTN): $33.07

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is CO with A A
Villian raises to $1.35, teecee90 raises to $7.35, 3 folds, Villian raises to $13.35, teecee90 raises to $55.21 all in, Villian calls $41.86

Flop: ($110.77) 6 2 K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($110.77) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($110.77) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $110.77
Villian shows A 9 (a pair of Nines)
teecee90 shows A A (a pair of Aces)
teecee90 wins $108.77
(Rake: $2.00)


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MR_Complex (UTG): $46.14
pokerbasti6 (MP): $50.26
Villian (CO): $153.84
teecee90 (BTN): $128.01
SquEezEnDonK (SB): $27.60
SootetQueens (BB): $26.46

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is BTN with 3 2
1 fold, pokerbasti6 calls $0.25, Villian raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SootetQueens raises to $4, 1 fold, Villian calls $3.25

Flop: ($8.35) J 7 T (2 players)
SootetQueens bets $5, Villian calls $5

Turn: ($18.35) Q (2 players)
SootetQueens bets $17.46 all in, Villian calls $17.46

River: ($53.27) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $53.27
Villian shows 9 T (two pairs, Tens and Nines)
SootetQueens shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
SootetQueens wins $50.61
(Rake: $2.66)


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MR_Complex (MP): $45.79
pokerbasti6 (CO): $63.86
Villian (BTN): $111.47
teecee90 (SB): $129.45
SquEezEnDonK (BB): $26.25
SootetQueens (UTG): $50.51

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is SB with T 4
1 fold, MR_Complex raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Villian raises to $2, 1 fold, SquEezEnDonK raises to $7, 1 fold, Villian raises to $12, SquEezEnDonK raises to $26.25 all in, Villian calls $14.25

Flop: ($53.35) T 6 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($53.35) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($53.35) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $53.35
Villian shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
SquEezEnDonK mucks K A (high card Ace)
Villian wins $50.69
(Rake: $2.66)


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MR_Complex (MP): $44.69
pokerbasti6 (CO): $30.71
Villian (BTN): $166.95
teecee90 (SB): $126.10
SquEezEnDonK (BB): $25.00
SootetQueens (UTG): $53.33

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is SB with 2 3
2 folds, pokerbasti6 raises to $2, Villian raises to $5, 2 folds, pokerbasti6 raises to $10.75, Villian raises to $30, pokerbasti6 raises to $30.71 all in, Villian calls $0.71

Flop: ($61.77) T K J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($61.77) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($61.77) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $61.77
pokerbasti6 mucks A K (two pairs, Kings and Jacks)
Villian shows Q 9 (a straight Nine to King)
Villian wins $58.77
(Rake: $3.00)


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MR_Complex (BB): $43.84
PaikuhanAA (UTG): $25.00
Villian (MP): $199.02
teecee90 (CO): $125.65
SquEezEnDonK (BTN): $25.00
SootetQueens (SB): $53.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) teecee90 is CO with 4 K
1 fold, Villian raises to $1.25, 1 fold, SquEezEnDonK raises to $3.75, 2 folds, Villian raises to $9, SquEezEnDonK raises to $25 all in, Villian calls $16

Flop: ($50.35) T 3 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($50.35) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($50.35) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50.35
Villian shows T T (three of a kind, Tens)
SquEezEnDonK mucks J J (a pair of Jacks)
Villian wins $47.84
(Rake: $2.51)

O M F G

I don't think he was using the slider - he was typing in his bets. He calimed after the hand that he forgot the ",". I believe him and wish I had called.

If you think he misclicked, you should SNAPCALL that baby.

This.

I too never use the slider and I always type my bets. When I started playing online poker I used to miss the "," so often, leading me to raise to $2 instead of $0.2 at 5nl, to $4 instead of $0.4 at 10nl, etc.

Anyway to get back on track: I'd have called here. I don't agree with nawledge4pwr. I'd have called if it was the first time he did that. It was clearly a misclick, particularly if his standard raise was $1.25.