Villain has a 10% 3b, probably higher deep and not limited by utg's open as utg opener is not particularly positionally aware. Im concerned with cold 4betting as 200bb deep/ oop kinda sucks as im not happy getting it in. Thoughts on streets and betsizing, feels like i might have leaked a little.


Prima Network $600.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $760.22
MP: $741.00
CO: $606.00
BTN: $1357.85
Hero (SB): $1690.94
BB: $1193.73

CO posts a big blind ($6.00)

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG raises to $21, MP calls $21, 1 fold, BTN raises to $78, Hero calls $75, 1 fold, UTG calls $57, MP calls $57

Flop: ($324.00) 2 K Q (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, BTN bets $161.00, Hero calls $161, UTG folds, MP folds

Turn: ($646.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($646.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $362.00,

Raise the flop and get it in, bet the turn.

The flop is way too drawy and multiway to start slowing down, your hand looks like an AK (which I would play the same anyways) so get it in.

got 2 player yet to act behind who might well view my flat as dead and be more inclined to raise get in draws imo. obv standard i raise flop but felt it looked too strong to get action from all but the cream of draws.

Okay, lets go trough your hand from pf, you cold-call 3-bet. That means that you have a approximately range of [99+, AQ+, miss-clicks].

On the flop you call button's range which has approximately range of KQ, QQ+ and AQ+. Neither one of you have a flush draw that often. Either one of you has to have an AK or better here for sure. Now I might actually fold small flush draws and most definitely not to shove them here without them being a combo draw which I would call a shove anyways. Nobody shoves there and expects to get both of you to fold! Actually they might shove there just because the pot is big enough that they get the odds anyway, which they would get even if you raise (all the combo draws). Without a combo draw they can call.

By not raising this flop you miss a lot of value from AA, KQ, AK and draw-type of hands which the minimal value you're getting from slowplaying this hand does not off-set.

i would play it the same way

i would donk the flop to trap some more money in. I dont think villain is c-betting this flop 4-way at a high frequency and giving a freecard would be a catastrophe with the pot being so large already.

As played i c/r because most weaker draws will just call getting the right odds and the good draws will come over the top no matter what. Sure it shows awesome strength, but i would rather take it down now than letting JT or flushdraws get in at the right price.

i doubt he folds a draw even if u make small check-raise since u effectively said in OP hes a bit fishy.

fwiw i wouldnt be concerned with trapping dead money from an overcall as there are more immediate concerns since spr is small, and btn is pot controlling some turns etc.

i dont particularly like river lead either, checking is better imo.

agree to a certain extent, but on riv i was genuinely concerned with villain checking back AA/AK, i mean, wtf is he vbetting against after he cbets this flop 4way.

i do agree a cr is better. but if i do cr almost every draw is gonna fold given price (not even 2:1) and i wouldnt be suprised to see a hand like J9hh muck given the dominated range it is usually against. Calling i figured i might give some illusion of FE...................

generally im in agreement with your thought process, esp what u said about nobody expecting both to fold, which i think i overestimated.

more chance that he value bets those hands than calls with them.

Yeah this, probably the most common leak you find in almost all regs games, although probably a result of people never ending up with bluffs in spots like this.

Furthermore, raise flop.

Is checking better on the River here because we're expecting Thin Value if we do get called?

Just Curious.....

his betting range when we check will/ should be wider than his calling range when we bet.

I just like to add that I really like donking flop, turn and river here too. You'll get one street of value from AK at least, two if he has Ah, KQ goes broke probably, AQ with Ah might get fancy and three streets from AA

The problem with flatting preflop here is that your hand is pretty face up against an decent/aggro opponent with deep stacks, which is usually not a good thing. How active are you preflop? What does villain likely think of you? I cold 4 bet here more often than I flat for sure, but if your image is super snug 4 betting is probably not a good plan. I probably just c/r the flop here and hope villain makes a mistake and gets it in with AA/AK or a draw. I don't hate c/c though, and as played checking >>>>>>>>>>> betting since he should be folding AA/AK which are far more likely to go for thin value than call a bet.