Dealing with Flopraises in battle of the blinds
03-30-2011
, 05:58 PM
Hey guys (and gals), I have lately run into Problems when dealing with flop raises in a blind-battle.
I bet you all know the following situation (and maybe have or had some sleepless nights over it as well):
BB is a decent to good REG, 23/20 or sth. like that. Let's further say he raises otf about 15%
Action goes like this:
UTG (€400)
MP (€400)
Button (€400)
SB (€400)
BB (€400)
Preflop:
3 folds, SB bets €12, BB calls €8
Flop: (€24) 3
, 5
, 7 (2 players)
SB bets €16, BB raises to €48 SB ?
What do you do here with different holdings ?
a) TP, crap kicker, like T7s etc.
b) a mid Overpair, 8-TT
c) middle or bottom Pair + A-kicker
d) random draws that are not good enough to get it in on the flop (As6s etc.)
?
Mostly interested in how to play the 88,99, T7 kind of stuff. We can't call ooP, because we play guessing games on scarecards and let villain play perfectly. If we get it in we are flipping (at best) or crushed.
Maybe we can get a good discussion going, because i believe that many of you have their troubles in that kind of spot as well.
- cheers, Zwerg
I bet you all know the following situation (and maybe have or had some sleepless nights over it as well):
BB is a decent to good REG, 23/20 or sth. like that. Let's further say he raises otf about 15%
Action goes like this:
UTG (€400)
MP (€400)
Button (€400)
SB (€400)
BB (€400)
Preflop:
3 folds, SB bets €12, BB calls €8
Flop: (€24) 3
, 5, 7 (2 players)SB bets €16, BB raises to €48 SB ?
What do you do here with different holdings ?
a) TP, crap kicker, like T7s etc.
b) a mid Overpair, 8-TT
c) middle or bottom Pair + A-kicker
d) random draws that are not good enough to get it in on the flop (As6s etc.)
?
Mostly interested in how to play the 88,99, T7 kind of stuff. We can't call ooP, because we play guessing games on scarecards and let villain play perfectly. If we get it in we are flipping (at best) or crushed.
Maybe we can get a good discussion going, because i believe that many of you have their troubles in that kind of spot as well.
- cheers, Zwerg
03-31-2011
, 02:29 PM
check-calling some flops is of course part of heros gameplan here, but i dont want to do it with hands that are so vulnerable to Overcards and instead take the line w/ draws / bd-draws that can potentially bluff on later streets or hit a disguised monster. Hopes this makes sense, but maybe im wrong ? 
Also @smellmuth, How do you play after the flop if you just call with your T7, 88, 99 type of hands ? You are going to improve very rarely and Villain can just Valuebet/Bluff more than half the cards in the deck.
I called the flop so many times just to find out that i got raised by QT type of stuff and got Value owned on the turn and river or folded later in the hand and had a v.bad feeling about it.
I think its almost next to impossible to get to SD against an agressive regular.
Also @smellmuth, How do you play after the flop if you just call with your T7, 88, 99 type of hands ? You are going to improve very rarely and Villain can just Valuebet/Bluff more than half the cards in the deck.
I called the flop so many times just to find out that i got raised by QT type of stuff and got Value owned on the turn and river or folded later in the hand and had a v.bad feeling about it.
I think its almost next to impossible to get to SD against an agressive regular.
03-31-2011
, 02:47 PM
03-31-2011
, 03:21 PM
Quote:
Also @smellmuth, How do you play after the flop if you just call with your T7, 88, 99 type of hands ? You are going to improve very rarely and Villain can just Valuebet/Bluff more than half the cards in the deck.
I called the flop so many times just to find out that i got raised by QT type of stuff and got Value owned on the turn and river or folded later in the hand and had a v.bad feeling about it.
I think its almost next to impossible to get to SD against an agressive regular.
Also @smellmuth, How do you play after the flop if you just call with your T7, 88, 99 type of hands ? You are going to improve very rarely and Villain can just Valuebet/Bluff more than half the cards in the deck.
I called the flop so many times just to find out that i got raised by QT type of stuff and got Value owned on the turn and river or folded later in the hand and had a v.bad feeling about it.
I think its almost next to impossible to get to SD against an agressive regular.
03-31-2011
, 04:57 PM
No offense, but T7s, 88, 99 are all standard opens (as you know) from the sb even against better Regs.
Don't want to get into a discussion about preflop, i am clearly NOT opening very wide against tough opponents ooP.
Still i run into those kind of spots frequently.
I hope noone is taking offense, just wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the topic (and hands down, you are not open-folding T7s, 97s, A7o from the SB)
€ smellmuth: donking the turn is a good point imo. Do you c/c the flop and Donk turns some decent amount of the time ? If so, for what hands/opponents are you looking when doing so ?
cheers
Don't want to get into a discussion about preflop, i am clearly NOT opening very wide against tough opponents ooP.
Still i run into those kind of spots frequently.
I hope noone is taking offense, just wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the topic (and hands down, you are not open-folding T7s, 97s, A7o from the SB)
€ smellmuth: donking the turn is a good point imo. Do you c/c the flop and Donk turns some decent amount of the time ? If so, for what hands/opponents are you looking when doing so ?
cheers
Last edited by PokerZwerg; 03-31-2011 at 04:59 PM.
Reason: (open)-folding
03-31-2011
, 05:10 PM
Quote:
No offense, but T7s, 88, 99 are all standard opens (as you know) from the sb even against better Regs.
Don't want to get into a discussion about preflop, i am clearly NOT opening very wide against tough opponents ooP.
Still i run into those kind of spots frequently.
I hope noone is taking offense, just wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the topic (and hands down, you are not open-folding T7s, 97s, A7o from the SB)
€ smellmuth: donking the turn is a good point imo. Do you c/c the flop and Donk turns some decent amount of the time ? If so, for what hands/opponents are you looking when doing so ?
cheers
Don't want to get into a discussion about preflop, i am clearly NOT opening very wide against tough opponents ooP.
Still i run into those kind of spots frequently.
I hope noone is taking offense, just wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the topic (and hands down, you are not open-folding T7s, 97s, A7o from the SB)
€ smellmuth: donking the turn is a good point imo. Do you c/c the flop and Donk turns some decent amount of the time ? If so, for what hands/opponents are you looking when doing so ?
cheers
03-31-2011
, 09:45 PM
Quote:
No offense, but T7s, 88, 99 are all standard opens (as you know) from the sb even against better Regs.
Don't want to get into a discussion about preflop, i am clearly NOT opening very wide against tough opponents ooP.
Still i run into those kind of spots frequently.
I hope noone is taking offense, just wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the topic (and hands down, you are not open-folding T7s, 97s, A7o from the SB)
€ smellmuth: donking the turn is a good point imo. Do you c/c the flop and Donk turns some decent amount of the time ? If so, for what hands/opponents are you looking when doing so ?
cheers
Don't want to get into a discussion about preflop, i am clearly NOT opening very wide against tough opponents ooP.
Still i run into those kind of spots frequently.
I hope noone is taking offense, just wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the topic (and hands down, you are not open-folding T7s, 97s, A7o from the SB)
€ smellmuth: donking the turn is a good point imo. Do you c/c the flop and Donk turns some decent amount of the time ? If so, for what hands/opponents are you looking when doing so ?
cheers
04-01-2011
, 10:59 AM
