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10-03-2010 , 07:57 PM

JasonP530

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Villian is 50/20. Folds to cbets 10% and goes to showdown a lot. Basically never folding anything. Thoughts on my play and where(if anyplace) to raise or fold?

Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $120.00
SB: $435.20
Hero (BB): $315.90
UTG: $80.00
CO: $222.95

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with J

3 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($16.00) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($48.00) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20

River: ($88.00) A

(2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero?

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10-03-2010 , 08:15 PM

gorlom

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nice title

fold river, I don't think you can call and you shouldn't try to bluff him off a flush. Flop and turn are fine.

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10-03-2010 , 08:20 PM

tannenj

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i call river

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10-03-2010 , 08:21 PM

kjemmy

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It's only 20$, I CALL

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10-03-2010 , 08:27 PM

dshan80

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this may be a case of over-pinpointing, but it looks like he has Q8o with Qh.

AMIRITE!?!?

but i fold, there's almost nothing you beat here and even odds sometimes can't legitimize a call.

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10-03-2010 , 08:32 PM

kjemmy

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Originally Posted by dshan80

but i fold, there's almost nothing you beat here and even odds sometimes can't legitimize a call.

Dude it's 20 dollars. That's like a hot dog. No three hot dogs. Would you fold three hot dogs here?

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10-03-2010 , 08:34 PM

tannenj

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we beat most combos of 8x, Jx, 9x, 7x, etc. we beat some combos of Tx. and we beat random crap like Ks6s. no way i'm folding against a player this bad getting over 5:1.

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10-03-2010 , 08:36 PM

ATOTHEC101

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I've set fire to $20 before, but I'd still fold here.

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10-03-2010 , 08:37 PM

dshan80

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

I've set fire to $20 before, but I'd still fold here.

yeah exactly. sure it's $20...but think like that perpetually and its $20 x how many times you feel complacent...

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10-03-2010 , 08:41 PM

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kjemmy

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

I've set fire to $20 before

nice

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10-03-2010 , 09:41 PM

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nuggetz87

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it's close so i call

i have never seen you post a hand vs. someone with vpip below 40...

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10-04-2010 , 12:59 AM

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MSauce

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I would begin by reloading for the full amount allowed. Then I'd fold.

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10-04-2010 , 01:10 AM

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PokerPrince

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Originally Posted by MSauce

I would begin by reloading for the full amount allowed. Then I'd fold.

That hand in question is actually being played on a fifty big blind maximum buy-in table. Therefore, he would not be allowed to reload as he is currently over the maximum buy-in.

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10-04-2010 , 01:16 AM

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MSauce

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Originally Posted by PokerPrince

That hand in question is actually being played on a fifty big blind maximum buy-in table. Therefore, he would not be allowed to reload as he is currently over the maximum buy-in.

damnit. i got owned.

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10-04-2010 , 01:19 AM

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Reefypoopoo

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anybody consider raising flop or turn for value? BC I AM

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10-04-2010 , 01:52 AM

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zanetti4

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I would fold river, may be raising turn is fine too

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10-04-2010 , 02:10 AM

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DonkeyFishFight

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Originally Posted by nuggetz87

i have never seen you post a hand vs. someone with vpip below 40...

I know, right!

I've called these 1/5-1/6 bets on the river with mid pair or whatever tons of times but these damn fish always have it, always. So I've stopped doing that. They bet so small because they want you to call. If he had called from the blinds and then donked like this three streets I would call, however, as fish donk lines are typically much more FOS.

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10-04-2010 , 03:19 AM

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mperich

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Yah reefy Im prob raising flop here I think.

-Mike

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10-04-2010 , 03:38 AM

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shootaa

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Raising at any point seems terrible... except for the river (yes as a bluff if somehow someone is going to ask that)

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10-04-2010 , 12:39 PM

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mperich

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Whoops, whole time I thought we were otb and he donked. I still dont think raising is "terrible" (esp if his sb open% is like 50+ which it def might be) but I would def prefer a call now.

Surprised ur not down w/ a river minvalueraise :O

-Mike

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10-04-2010 , 12:58 PM

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FearToxin90

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I might raise to $50. He's a 50/10. You only have hope of making him fold a bluff/blocking bet with no heart, so risking $50 to win $110 might be profitable.

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10-04-2010 , 05:10 PM

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JasonP530

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I folded and he showed A9 for two pair. Not sure if he folds to a river raise though.

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10-04-2010 , 05:34 PM

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busto_soon

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What's wrong with r/f turn?

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10-04-2010 , 06:18 PM

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NCSU07

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Originally Posted by busto_soon

What's wrong with r/f turn?

id rather do this than raise river

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10-04-2010 , 06:38 PM

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