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10-02-2009 , 09:57 AM

Brocktoon

Unreada Bill

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,675

Opponent in this hand is running 5/0 after 40 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($13.15)
CO ($10.95)
Button ($25.95)
SB ($25)
BB ($50.75)
UTG ($29.75)
Hero (UTG+1) ($29.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

, A

1 fold, Hero bets $1, 4 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) K

, 4

, Q

(2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.75) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

River: ($10.75) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero...

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10-02-2009 , 10:02 AM

dustybottoms7

centurion

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 176

That's pretty gross. I probably just puke, make a crying call and quickly minimize the window for when he scoops the pot.

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10-02-2009 , 10:39 AM

Ywellc

centurion

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 191

You're getting 2.25 to 1 that he doesn't have the A

. I call here.

I also raise flop, FWIW. Small donks like this are often draws, and there most definitely are some in his range on flop.

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10-02-2009 , 01:29 PM

pierrot_lune

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 388

I would call here because I'm not good enough to fold taht one.

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10-02-2009 , 01:32 PM

RapidEvolution

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,932

Folding here is pretty bad imo. I like the rest...though making a small flop raise might get us some value (though at 5/0 I'm not sure he has a ton of FDs)

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10-02-2009 , 01:37 PM

Brocktoon

Unreada Bill

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,675

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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution

Folding here is pretty bad imo.

RE,

What is he betting here?

The guy is pretty nitty and he donks out $8 into $10 pot with 4 spades including the Q on the board. My hand is a bluff catcher imo and I find it hard to believe that this guy is firing that bet as a bluff over 30% of the time.

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10-02-2009 , 02:00 PM

SammyG-SD

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,600

why are we not popping the flop?

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10-02-2009 , 02:12 PM

RapidEvolution

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,932

Our sample is over 40 hands so we really can't classify him as a nit.

If we assume he ONLY bets the As and air, if he has air 1/3 of the time, our call makes money.

I think he can definitely have air sometimes and I DEFINITELY think he can bet a worse spade here for value.

Also, I fail to see what hand (aside from A

Qx and A

Kx) he can possibly have that takes this line postflop. I'm not saying that they never show up here (I'm not advocating that we ship the river), but I certainly don't think they show up 70% of the time.

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10-02-2009 , 02:14 PM

Brocktoon

Unreada Bill

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,675

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

why are we not popping the flop?

My thinking was I didn't want to play a big pot or wind up in a tough spot for my stack. His donk was small and 40 hands isn't much so I had no read and didn't really know how to interpret it. I would have been happy getting to showdown fairly cheap and taking some notes on how he played his hand.

No good?

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10-02-2009 , 02:25 PM

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SammyG-SD

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Originally Posted by Brocktoon

I attack donk flops...maybe too much.

I still can't figure out his line...looks like a scared two pair or set, but the river bet is strange.

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I guess a made nut flush on the turn makes sense..if he was passive and bad.

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10-02-2009 , 02:53 PM

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devin mac

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 614

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Originally Posted by dustybottoms7

That's pretty gross. I probably just puke, make a crying call and quickly minimize the window for when he scoops the pot.

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10-02-2009 , 03:33 PM

#12

Scaramanga

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 99

It looks like he has the A of spades to me, i can't see what air he check calls the turn with that then wants to bet the river like this, and a smaller flush is not betting this large very often.

I also think that someone running 5/0 over 40 hands is at least 95% certain to be a nit, and a mega one at that.

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10-02-2009 , 04:14 PM

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JabrielP

old hand

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Originally Posted by dustybottoms7

That's pretty gross. I probably just puke, make a crying call and quickly minimize the window for when he scoops the pot.

+2

As played, his most likely hand is A

Qx, although I think his range for betting this river is wider. This is probably a fold, but I cry and call, then berate him for the bad beat when he shows me A

Qx.

Should of raised flop, bet turn imo.

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