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06-04-2021 , 03:53 AM
Not used to squeezing with so many callers. Should I have gone bigger pre?

Is flop a range check in general? Okay to just bet my hand against 2 likely fish?

AP, just ship turn with the double FD on board?


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NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($81.53)
UTG ($86.60) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 55.6% | Hands: 18]
HJ ($43.25) [VPIP: 36.4% | PFR: 27.3% | AGG: 14.3% | Hands: 11]
CO ($38.11) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 47.1% | Hands: 18]
BTN ($79.91) [VPIP: 61.1% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 18]
SB ($47.25) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 18.2% | Hands: 18]

Dealt to Hero: Q K

UTG Raises To $1.25, HJ Calls $1.25, CO Calls $1.25, BTN Folds, SB Calls $1, HERO Raises To $7, UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Calls $5.75, SB Calls $5.75

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.32 effective]
Flop ($23.50): K 3 7
SB Checks, HERO Checks, CO Checks

Turn ($23.50): K 3 7 3
SB Bets $11.17 (Rem. Stack: $29.08), HERO
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06-04-2021 , 03:57 AM
pre is fine imo, bet flop all day long with sizing for 2 streets
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06-04-2021 , 04:04 AM
First you should not be broken stack. Second off. Why for the life of me did you not bet the flop?
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06-04-2021 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by poskid
First you should not be broken stack. Second off. Why for the life of me did you not bet the flop?
I'm 160bb deep

I have this habit of range checking most flops when it's MW. I think it's a good strategy against better players, but flop is likely a bet against these fish.
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06-04-2021 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I'm 160bb deep

I have this habit of range checking most flops when it's MW. I think it's a good strategy against better players, but flop is likely a bet against these fish.
You are not playing for 160bb on the flop, even though you started with 160bb, because the biggest remaining stack relative to you is the SB and he started with 94bb. The most you can lose is the 94bb.

I don't like the squeeze at all. I think it is too loose. It is basically a bluff because you are not likely to be ahead of the range that continues against this squeeze bet. (i.e., many ppl will flat or 4 bet w AK/AQ). It is ok to bluff like this once in a while or for a specific reason, but generally not how I want to play this hand.

BTW, you have an 18 hand history on these players, so despite their awkward stats, it is hard to conclude that they are fish based on this sample.

Another thing I don't like about the squeeze is that you are out of position. If you are going to squeeze like this you may as well try to do it with position working in your favor.

Your bluff didn't work, you got 2 callers. But the next best thing happened and that is you flopped top pair.

On the flop the pot is 23$ and the 2 opponents have 31$ and 40$ respectively. So this is the kind of big pot that is worth fighting over and it's ok to get it all in. Either they have AK or they don't. If they do, you're looking at losing some money (but you did this to yourself), if they don't, a substantial bet should take down the pot and/or position you to shove on the turn.

GL, Magnum
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06-04-2021 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I'm 160bb deep

I have this habit of range checking most flops when it's MW. I think it's a good strategy against better players, but flop is likely a bet against these fish.
Can I ask a question? I don't know what you mean by "range checking." What do you mean by that phrase? I am being sincere. I am trying to understand what you mean. Thanks.

Magnum
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06-04-2021 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I'm 160bb deep

I have this habit of range checking most flops when it's MW. I think it's a good strategy against better players, but flop is likely a bet against these fish.
random button clicking is as good as random not clicking buttons, poker is game of people and ranges
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06-04-2021 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum1111
You are not playing for 160bb on the flop, even though you started with 160bb, because the biggest remaining stack relative to you is the SB and he started with 94bb. The most you can lose is the 94bb.
I understand effective stacks, thank you.

The point was that I wasn't playing with a broken stack.
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06-04-2021 , 09:45 AM
Oh, haha, I see. I thought you were saying you checked the flop because you were playing with 160bb. I was like, huh?

What do you mean by "range checking?" I'm trying to understand that. Thanks.

magnum
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06-04-2021 , 10:39 AM
I Def like the squeeze here pre. Ton of dead money out there. Because we are oop, I would size it up slightly. Closer to $9.

I think a big Cbet is a must vs what looks like 2 recs. Min 2/3.

AP ott ripping it in can’t be horrible. Draws will call and likely weaker Kx.

I think it’s safe to conclude these are two rec players. Small sample only 18 hands, but 44/0 and 28/0? Plus co with broken stack. Pretty safe assumption they’re recs imo.
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06-04-2021 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum1111
Oh, haha, I see. I thought you were saying you checked the flop because you were playing with 160bb. I was like, huh?

What do you mean by "range checking?" I'm trying to understand that. Thanks.

magnum
Range checking just means checking your entire range.

So on this flop, it wouldn't matter if my hand was KK, AA, AK, or a flush draw. I would just check everything.

But as pointed out, just playing our hand against these players and betting is superior.
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06-04-2021 , 10:47 AM
Ahhh, gotcha. Thank you for defining that for me.

Magnum
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06-04-2021 , 11:49 AM
K high boards are the nuts for OOP 3bettors. range bet
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06-04-2021 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
I'm 160bb deep

I have this habit of range checking most flops when it's MW. I think it's a good strategy against better players, but flop is likely a bet against these fish.
You are correct. I thought it said 81BB Sometimes reading these HH's from different converters can get interesting.
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06-05-2021 , 05:53 PM
Pre is fine... and with how small his aggression is, I'd ship the turn. You essentially have the nuts unless he has 77/33 of course. And there's no point in letting him draw for free if he won't bluff the river.
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06-05-2021 , 09:39 PM
Not sure how I feel about the squeeze but size should be bigger. 20x pre imo.
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