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Constructing cbetting range Sb 3bet vs BTN on monotone

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03-30-2020 , 08:15 AM

DSA Stephen

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100bb ef

BTN reg raises 2.5bb
SB 3bets 10bb
BTN Calls

SB Range(17.7%): AA-77,AKs-A8s,A5s-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,
50%: 66,A7s-A6s,K9s,Q9s,J9s,T8s,97s,65s,54s
25%: 55-33,K8s-K7s,Q8s,J8s,T7s,86s,75s,64s,43s

BTN Call Range(17.5%): TT-22,AQs-A6s,KQs-K6s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J8s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s-75s,65s-64s,54s-53s,43s,AQo-AJo,KQo
50%:A5s-A2s
25%: JJ

Blue: SB
Green: BTN

so SB has a small range advantage but not much of a nut advantage

How should SB construct his c betting range?
Especially interested in how we play the large portion of our range that miss:

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03-30-2020 , 11:20 AM

Minatorr

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piosolver. Its a good investment.

Also dunno where youre getting pre from but it seems meh. Most of it is std but some dont belong in the 3b range and all this mixed freq is just purely FPS unless you are playing 500NL+

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03-30-2020 , 11:27 AM

JohnRusty

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You should really just get GTO+, it’s $75. All the answers you’re gonna see are just what someone plugged into a solver, or what someone heard someone said a solver does

Solvers hate betting large on monotone flops, and they hate betting large OOP in general. Solver would bet like 1/3 with about 15% of range. Probably x/c’s a lot of range to a stab by BU, but probably assumes BU should stab less than population does

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03-30-2020 , 12:00 PM

DSA Stephen

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

I constructed my 3bet ranges by looking at multiple different ranges and then adjusted for my games where I believe people over fold and generally play poorly in 3bets pot

What hands do you believe don't belong?
Would you use a similar 3bet percentage but with out all the mixing for 25-100nl?

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03-30-2020 , 12:01 PM

DSA Stephen

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

How does gto+ differ from pio why is it so much cheaper?

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03-30-2020 , 12:04 PM

JohnRusty

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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen

How does gto+ differ from pio why is it so much cheaper?

Math is the same. I think pio pro has slightly better features, but I think a big part of it is the fact that pio was first/has more brand recognition

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03-30-2020 , 02:50 PM

whitemares

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Yeah I think have 25% freq 3bets are just a waste of effort, you can easily do 50% without a randomizer based on card order (for non-pairs anyway), and it's way easier to remember

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03-31-2020 , 12:13 AM

Minatorr

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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen

33/44, 43s, K7s for sure. Unless BTN is massively overfolding pre there is zero chance this is +EV against unknown btn.

I mean the 50% mixes are w.e. but 25% is getting way too complicated imo and just going to detract from your game. Youre going to focus too much energy on being a good rng boy when you can focus your energy someehere else more useful.

Most i mix is 50/50, maybe 5 hands SB vs BTN. You could probably not mix at all preflop 3b ranges (assuming no reads) and it wouldnt change your WR at all even at higher stakes

Poker is alrdy very complicated i wouldnt want to start randomizing anything more than 0, 50, 100 personally

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04-16-2020 , 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

Math is the same. I think pio pro has slightly better features, but I think a big part of it is the fact that pio was first/has more brand recognition

Is there any free software/tools for a newbie just learning?
Thanks

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04-17-2020 , 01:29 AM

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Solvers will construct a cbet range on this spot which is super ****ing complicated with basically every hand super mixed and will 3 bet like every class of hand like 50% or something for a small size. Second pairs? Top pairs? Flushes? Overpairs? 40-60% of the time cbet

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