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09-11-2010 , 09:01 AM
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02

BTN: $3.40
Hero (SB): $6.69
BB: $1.79
SAMPLE SIZE=31 VPIP=26 PFR=13 AF=38
UTG: $0.85
SAMPLE SIZE=7 VPIP= 43 PFR=0 AF=29
UTG+1: $2.00
MP1: $2.00
MP2: $0.67
SAMPLE SIZE=26 VPIP=4 PFR=0 AF=33
CO: $2.06

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with K Q
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero?

I had no other reads. I really wasn't sure how to go about playing this hand; this was my first session using a HUD and I'm not sure how seriously I can take the small sample sizes.

How accurate is the MP2 range? I mean, let's say it's 50% wrong due to variance and he actually has a VPIP of 6, that means he only plays 88+,ATs+,KQs,AKo Surely no one is that tight?? Even 8% is a little hard to believe

What is the conventional way to present the opponents stats in a thread?

So I guess if I hit TP I would have to fold if MP2 is betting?
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09-11-2010 , 09:57 AM
i'd complete here because both are short stacks but against full stacks make it 0.10-0.12, if i hit tp here against mp2 i get it in because he only has 30bb
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09-11-2010 , 12:00 PM
26 hands is nothing lol he could be 18/16 or 10/8 or 26/2 for all we know lol
points to most likely ~14/6 kinda style i guess

Super standard iso here, make it about .12

UTG calls heaps worse and MP2 prolly is setmining and will c/f a lot of flops.
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09-11-2010 , 12:03 PM
Raise preflop. You're ahead of limping ranges.
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09-11-2010 , 12:55 PM
So basically 26 hands is insignificant; the chances of him playing let's say less that 6% is so small I should assume that 4% is just variance and therefore, my KQs should not be dominated and hence, should isolate.
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09-11-2010 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bdp1
i'd complete here because both are short stacks but against full stacks make it 0.10-0.12, if i hit tp here against mp2 i get it in because he only has 30bb
I thought that should make me more prone to raising??
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09-11-2010 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Money022
Raise preflop. You're ahead of limping ranges.
Including the 4/0 guy?
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09-11-2010 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pat3392
I thought that should make me more prone to raising??
both are pfr 0, so if they have like .60 and you raise .12 they might just shove as they have so little left, if you like flipping for .60 then go ahead. it's just my personal preference to not make flips like KQs vs A8o etc

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Originally Posted by pat3392
Including the 4/0 guy?
yes, with full stack always isolate here even 4/0 guys
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09-11-2010 , 01:53 PM
i'd just shove for metagame
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09-11-2010 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SI-KICK
i'd just shove for metagame
Not familiar with that word, "metagame." Still, shoving with the $1.80 active is pretty terrible imho
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09-12-2010 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pat3392
So basically 26 hands is insignificant; the chances of him playing let's say less that 6% is so small I should assume that 4% is just variance and therefore, my KQs should not be dominated and hence, should isolate.
basically.

Heres a quick example. Over my last 100k hands of FR i have run at about 13/11. Over various 150 hand samples i have run at, 6/5 and 26/22. Just a guess but i probably run at 4/0 over 26 hands on a table every couple of days.


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Originally Posted by pat3392
Including the 4/0 guy?
Yes. Sample size is insignificant, just an unknown likely nit.
Basically the 4/0 guy can open 2 pots in a row and become a 12/8 guy...

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Originally Posted by pat3392
Not familiar with that word, "metagame." Still, shoving with the $1.80 active is pretty terrible imho
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metagame
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09-12-2010 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pat3392
Not familiar with that word, "metagame." Still, shoving with the $1.80 active is pretty terrible imho
which is why i'd do it
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09-12-2010 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bdp1
both are pfr 0, so if they have like .60 and you raise .12 they might just shove as they have so little left, if you like flipping for .60 then go ahead. it's just my personal preference to not make flips like KQs vs A8o etc
I don't usually see guys this short though actually playing a short stack startegy at 2nl..If guys are limping like this and haven't reloaded its because they just want to play hands. I would iso to .10 just because you probably actually have more fold equity because they are short.
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09-12-2010 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by darthtrader3.6
I don't usually see guys this short though actually playing a short stack startegy at 2nl..If guys are limping like this and haven't reloaded its because they just want to play hands. I would iso to .10 just because you probably actually have more fold equity because they are short.
They're not folding a hand better than KQs, so do I want them to fold here? THey'd probably only fold hands that I dominate
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09-12-2010 , 12:04 PM
If you win preflop they will never suck out on you

Last edited by Jabba021; 09-12-2010 at 12:04 PM. Reason: ;)
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09-12-2010 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabba021
If you win preflop they will never suck out on you
I couldn't care less if they suck out, I want to make the most EV play, regardless is a bad beat is possible
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09-13-2010 , 12:25 AM
Against these guys just raise it to like 0.14 imo you have a real strong hand (relative to their ranges that is)
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09-13-2010 , 07:19 AM
So many levels in this thread.

OP - If you isolate, you'll pick the pot up preflop a ton, you'll also be able to take it down on the flop a lot too. Add into the mix that your hand is way ahead of limping ranges, and their limp/call range will include a lot of dominated hands like K9s etc and it's pretty obvious that isolating is by far the most +EV play. If you just complete, you end up OOP in a 4-way pot with a fairly large SPR.
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09-13-2010 , 07:43 AM
Raise preflop your way ahead on limp ranges
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09-13-2010 , 08:24 AM
But seriously, just complete.
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09-13-2010 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ach
But seriously, just complete.
This. I can't think of any really good reasons for raising. The result is that you are going to bloat the pot and maybe knock one person out. You are still going to be playing a big pot against 2-3 people while you are out of position.

For MP2, I wouldn't be too surprised if he is a 15/5 player. I'm an 18/14 player. I will occasionally be 20 hands into a session and see that I am at 5/0. It just depends on what cards he is getting.
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