Dam you, sircuddles! Damn you! (shakes fist)

Seriously though, you could argue that anyone reading any of this forum has already made a conscious decision to put more thought into their poker, improve, learn, etc. So while their play may be fishy when they get here, they're likely on their way out of fishhood into nithood already

Plus the point's already been made that there's still a big step between reading something and properly learning it (applying those lessons).

really great job on the thread keep it up

micros are easy just play 75k hands of 5nl before moving up an you will do fine. Thats if you dont jump out the window first.

great job ty

This was an excellent guide, i won $3 today

ya i suppose it is true but still wtf what if one day theres just only nit regs at the tables how sad will you be probably will regret making a guide so there can be a thousand more multitabling nits getting it in so thin and checkraising u for sick value

This guide is quite helpful

This is a GREAT guide and a GREAT thread. Thanks to not only Sircuddles, but to everyone who contributed!

I do have two questions:

First, when it comes to opening up your range up to 25nl (and maybe 50nl too), how wide should you go?

Is the following too wide after you get to the point to where you are winning regularly? Where would you draw the line?

How about open raising or folding preflop with the following from any position (and cbet and double barrel as judgment dictates postflop):

AA-22
AKs-A2s
KQs-KTs
QJs-QTs
JTs-54s
J9s-75s
AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, JT

The above comes to a VPIP of just over 19%. It is quite a bit wider than a VPIP of 14 or so, but I wonder if the practice of playing these hands postflop in all positions will pay off when one has moved up to the higher levels. Do you think it will?

BTW, I've noticed that being aggressive seems to pave the way for playing more hands profitably -- and playing them in earlier positions, too. But may be it's just that way at the micro levels; I don't know, since I only play the micros.



My second (and much more important to me) question is:

What skills/tactics/plays would it be wise to understand and be proficient with to succeed with a healthy win rate at 50NL?

After getting to the point where you are beating 25nl, it seems to make sense to spend time learning and practicing the skills and plays needed for the next level prior to actually moving up to 50nl.

So what list of skills and plays should a 25nl player who wants to successfully move up to 50nl start getting familiar with and getting good at?

Thanks again!!

Well I ain't folding AA pre flop

But seriously....

You should expand your range the nearer to the button you get, if you start opening AJ UTG in full ring you will be in a world of hurt, plus once people get a handle on your opening range in EP they will be 3 betting you light at every opportunity.

Brilliant piece of work

Are there typos here, or are there hands such as AJo that you would raise from MP1, but fold from the button?.

Also, this can always use a bump

I don't see the typo I think you're misreading it? A8s+ includes AJo.

Ah... I read it as "suited aces only"...

Yeah A8s+ includes A9o+ but excludes A8o.

Not in PokerStove... and not in my book. I'll wait for Sir C to see what he meant.

BTN: A8s+, AT+, KQ, KJ, QJ, 22+

There you go I just forgot to add the offsuit range.

Hehe... thanks.

So let's include how to play against and beat the nit regs.

Nah, the point of this guide was to help those struggling to post a profit, post a profit. It isn't meant to be a complete guide to playing poker at the micros, it's just to help those who are losing players build a foundation to become winning players. After that the scope of information is too large to be put into a thread. If people want to find out how to beat nit regs they can post HH's and become part of the 2p2 community, read posts, read books, etc. That's where learning the game of poker comes in, which is outside the scope of this guide.

i skimmed through and bookmarked to refer back to when needed as I am staring the micro's...thanks for the advice.

I copied and pasted into a document and saved on laptop & phone to re-read as needed.

gl all.

What hands raising after 1-2 limpers?

i'd say it's safe to still raise all the hands/position listed in the original guide; limpers generally have hands they don't like enough to raise, and often aren't the best players, so just sticking to the original list you will usually be ahead of their range, with the added benefits of position, initiative and hopefully a skill edge too.

with these added benefits in mind, it becomes clear that it would be more optimal to play more hands vs limpers, but as sir cuddles has said that the guide was intended as a basic grounding in how to post a profit, possibly these adjustments aren't really the point of this thread; however, if you like, you can read more in these threads (i found posts 6 and 25 in the latter thread to be particularly helpful)

hope this helps

Same as open, except add money to open raise. (3-4bb + 1 per limper)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...impers-431379/

awesome post. i must say that the issue i have that prevents me from being a winning player is that i play under rolled and i have trouble maintaining discipline when i play for pennnis. I usually play 10/25 underrolled and the swings are brutal before i go bust. i will be returning to reread this post again and again till it is engrained in my thick skull, thanks.
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