This is the first hand of the match that we saw the flop at. Villain min-raised all his previous buttons and I folded, I folded a button and took down the blinds with a 3x twice. What is our flop plan? I'm pretty sure we don't want to fold TPQK, but should we pot control OOP and flat or c/r to avoid marginal turn spots (a lot of turns will bring overcards and we're OOP)? I'd really appreciate some thought process here, because I have the feeling I'm not thinking right about this. Thanks in advance!

Edit: if we go for a c/r, what is our plan against a 3-bet?

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1490 74.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1510 75.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 7 Q
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) 2 7 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t60

I would probably lead pot 3/4 pot but a c/r is good so you can trap a c-bet. If he's minr all his buttons so far his range is wide and I would expect him to float light on this flop when he has position. Therefore, if your more inclinded to end the hand now a c/r will do.

Well since we don't know anything about his postflop play yet I would flat, this has advantages like:

-Getting a read; is this guy able to double barrel for example
-Keeping air in his range/hands we beat
-Controls the pot

I don't think C/R'ing is bad at all but given the fact the match is just young I would just go for pot control and flat in this spot and maybe lead some turns. If the match proceeds and you have a read on him like:

-He floats superwide to C/R's
-He cbets a superwide range
-He is stationny and calls down with anypair

You can start making these plays, the reason why I am advising you this is because since we don't know anything about his tendencies we both get a read by increasing the chance on a showdown and keep the pot relatively small while we can't put him on a range yet in this stage which is something he can exploit by going berserk with anytwo and leaving us OOP in a big pot with just TPGK

Hopefully the post is clear

I like check-raising to 200 and calling a shove, for a few reasons.

1. People at these stakes love stacking off with top pair, and we beat most of these with our Q kicker. We might also induce a shove from 45 or even a hand like AK that is not willing to let go (yes, that’s more common than you might think).

2. People also don’t like folding to check-raises, so when we’re called we’re almost always ahead. We’ll get flatted by anything from worse pairs to mere overcards, so we got more money into the pot when we have good equity.

3. When the overcard hits on the turn, instead of checking and hoping he stops betting and moving to hero-mode, we can check with a smile knowing he will check back like 90% of the time, because he wants to get to showdown and see our hand and find out whether his bluff-catching float was successful. He might not even value-bet if he hits the overcard on the turn, because he’s afraid we have 2 pair or a set, so we denied him from getting value when the equity shifted his way.

4. He might just fold his hand on the flop, so we denied him from his equity in the pot, as he almost always has at least one overcard.

C/r and flatting are both fine. One is usually better than the other, but this depends on your opponent. Leading is usually your worst option, but it could be optimal vs some opponents. If we c/r and get 3-bet we are jamming.

Thanks, everyone. I elected to call, but now I see that c/r might have been better. Anyway, I guess it's fairly close between the two.

Hey Krumb, could you explain this a little more?
I think some of the pro's here could be;
1 getting initative
2 balancing our donks when we have air/draws
3 charging him/protection on a dry board if he decides to float or check behind
4 value from worse 7's or lower pairs

negatives;
1 we could lose a cbet
2 might get raised off our hand?

thanks

certain players spaz super hard against donks and will raise their entire range would be an advantage

very solid post from DoctorEggman.
+1

check call all the way against a random.. see if he double barrels etc (he prob will), get info ..
cr is bad with no history imo, u would have no idea what to on a lot of spots on later streets.. besides he prob folds most of the time unless ur beat so theres no point to it

He folds most of the time unless we're beat? This is so far from the truth. at these stakes people float a ton, I'm rarely check-raised as a bluff when I used to play them. Maybe a solid player will fold most of the time but so few players are solid. I think we miss a lot of value here with our TPGK. And about turn spots, as I said, when you check-raise the flop and check the turn, villian expect you to check-raise the turn too, so he will check back a ton, and if he bets, his range is much more well defined (and strong).

lmao i would expect the exact oposite .. in this dry board a villain that floats would only bet his air on the turn and cbh showdown hands .. so if i craise turn i c-call turn and c-call river .. and if he checks turn i bet river and expect him to snap some small pair ..

actually i shouldnt give advice, everytime i join a 2 or 6 dollar game to tilt off i just make huge overbets and get called by atc lmao so yea maybe getting it in with top pair medium kicker with no info could be not bad

If you c/r flop and c/c turn villain is probably gonna be valuebetting A7+ and just about never bluffing if he is any good. When you c/c the turn after raising the flop, he should realize that you can't have air.

Also you lose value against all worse hands peeling the flop. It's not like he's gonna turn 57 or A3 into a bluff.

You made a pretty good list, but I don't think balancing is that important nor do I think having the initiative is that important. As for #3-4, he will most likely bet all his pairs on this board, and he will most likely bet all his air(floats) on this board if you check to him.

As for the negatives, not only could you lose a c-bet, you could also lose 2-3 barrels. #2: We want him to raise our donk if we donk, this is not a negative.

So much value in raising here esp in a 6$ game because ppl will float absolutely any 2 on this board.

It's as far from the truth (or could be) as your expection he's going to be calling with many hands that we beat. The problem is we don't know (yet) and that's why I always play these hands passive early on, just to get to know his style better on the other streets and for the reasons I mentioned in my last post.

Maybe it's just me being a nitt but simply assuming that we, by definition, lose value by not C/R'ing in this stage is a really strange statement to make, who says we're not going to add extra value since he has possible bluffs that can fire up to 3 barrels?

Wow that's a huge generalization, believe it or not but there are also TP villains lurking in the 6$ lobbies

dont mind leading flop. Im expecting to get raised by villain a huge percentage of the time which in this case, is advantageous because when he does, we are good here like 70% of the time. so im bet/shoving the flop. I think we will get looked up a small amount of the time at the $6s by 55,66,45 and if hes a real ****** AK.

It's no blind-date, we're not trying to get to know him, he's playing 6$ husngs so our work assumption is that we're facing a fish and we all know most fish love the call button. Any other assumption is costing us money imo.

So OP and villain didn't went to see a movie together?