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To cbet 4-way with top pair on dry flop or not?

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04-19-2014 , 06:26 AM

n4sty

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 370

BB is a 26/24 reg that calls too much
CO is 21/15 reg that calls flop WAY to much (fold flop 36%) and gets aggressive on later streets
BTN is a drooler 52/24 super passive station.

Should I cbet this dry flop? What's my plan for the hand?

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $1.95 (39 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.22 (104.4 bb)
MP: $5.10 (102 bb)
CO: $9.67 (193.4 bb)
BTN: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
SB: $2.74 (54.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

Hero raises to $0.20, MP folds, CO calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.82) J

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero...

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04-19-2014 , 06:41 AM

leproso88

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,627

You can't check. Bet/fold around 50c

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04-19-2014 , 06:51 AM

n4sty

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 370

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Originally Posted by leproso88

You can't check. Bet/fold around 50c

Thanks, why are we betting here?

To get value from the people who call too much? can't we get 2 streets of value later on, or do we need to protect our hand from overs?

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04-19-2014 , 07:01 AM

leproso88

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,627

Yes for value agaisnt people who call too much. We shouldn't be checking TPGK OOP in a 4way flop ever. You can calculate how much equity 3 random hands have against us and you will understand.

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04-21-2014 , 09:11 AM

n4sty

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 370

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Originally Posted by leproso88

Yes for value agaisnt people who call too much. We shouldn't be checking TPGK OOP in a 4way flop ever. You can calculate how much equity 3 random hands have against us and you will understand.

Fair point, except why 3 random hands?

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04-21-2014 , 09:13 AM

n4sty

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 370

Anyway I ended up betting, the turn is very dry:

Flop: ($0.82) J

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.49, CO calls $0.49, 2 folds

Turn: ($1.80) 2

(2 players)

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04-21-2014 , 09:25 AM

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I don't know what sample you got on those stats, probably way to little. There is something to say for checking in a vacuum because when you bet this flop you're never bluffing and this is pretty much the bottom of your range.

But with a fish in there, not betting flop is pretty criminal. Only time I would consider checking is if i'm up against 3 nits, but not against some bad regs and a donkey.

In a vacuum it's also a mistake to check at 5nl, because the players you're up against in this exact spot are a pretty good representation of your avg opposition.

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04-21-2014 , 10:06 AM

n4sty

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 370

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

Thanks, this makes sense to me, I usually do bet this flop but was looking for solid reasoning, What about betting a hand like TT in this spot? Also with the turn above would you double barrel this hand?

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