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08-09-2018 , 09:59 AM

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journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 237

I think this is pretty standard until the river, and looking back I think its a fold. Vil is a 20/13 reg

PF: I could 3bet, but the opener has a very low to 3bet and it's a better hand to play multiway.

F: Could raise but I think I'm only folding out worse, plus there's a ton of cards I want to see hit on the turn.

T: Think the small bet as a check. Pick up SDV so pot control

R: Don't think there are many bluffs that take this line

WPN, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37935552

Hero (BTN): $9.80 (196 bb)
SB: $6.12 (122.4 bb)
BB: $5.22 (104.4 bb)
UTG: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5.81 (116.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 6

(3 players)
BB bets $0.33, CO folds, Hero calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.13) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($1.63) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95

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08-09-2018 , 08:03 PM

nuxxx

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It's a leak to flat weak suited aces in position, ATs is debatable but anything worse isn't good

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08-09-2018 , 11:36 PM

ArchdukeBarney

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Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 113

^V is opening a lot of worse Axs and 9xs from the CO, plus we're IP, I'm interested to know why you think flatting A9s (or even ATs) is a leak

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08-09-2018 , 11:41 PM

Captain Underpairs

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 421

You should 3b not flat dawg

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08-09-2018 , 11:58 PM

ArchdukeBarney

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^don't you think A9s is strong enough to call vs V's CO opening range, and we can use weaker hands to 3b bluff like A5s-A2s?

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08-10-2018 , 09:03 AM

CC96

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Should definitely 3bet A9s. It doesn't play that well post-flop. Also the relative strength of A9s vs A2s-A5s isn't that much stronger as you can make wheel straights with these hands but not with A9s.

AP fold river. Even with trips you beat no value hands at all and I don't see players at 5NL bluffing this river.

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08-10-2018 , 01:38 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by ArchdukeBarney

^don't you think A9s is strong enough to call vs V's CO opening range, and we can use weaker hands to 3b bluff like A5s-A2s?

On the button vs CO, I 3-bet every suited ace apart from AQs and AJs, but maybe that's just me.

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08-10-2018 , 01:44 PM

Flpmethntsdlr

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

On the button vs CO, I 3-bet every suited ace apart from AQs and AJs, but maybe that's just me.

I can think of a few reasons to do this. Care to elaborate as to why you do it?

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08-10-2018 , 02:11 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

I can think of a few reasons to do this. Care to elaborate as to why you do it?

The main reason is that (readless) I think it's the most profitable strat.
3-betting nearly all suited aces works in the context of my overall strategy, which doesn't involve much flatting pre-flop in position. (But I want to have some AQs/AJs in my flatting range for board coverage, yadda yadda). Ax suited hands are just brilliant as 3-bets because of the blocker to villain's 4-bet range, and because they flop decent equity/playability vs his flatting range.

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08-10-2018 , 07:22 PM

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journeyman

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Would you do this 150BB deep? 200BB deep? I'm not folding A9s OTB the a CO open range, and I don't think you always want to play an inflated pot.

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08-11-2018 , 04:51 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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I don't know, as I haven't studied deep stack play, nor do I actually play deep very often, but I think suited aces actually play even better as 3-bets when deep, since they give you the (rare) chance to cooler lower flushes in huge pots. It's hard to get 250bb in the middle in a single-raised pot.

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08-12-2018 , 08:06 PM

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pokrr

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

On the button vs CO, I 3-bet every suited ace apart from AQs and AJs, but maybe that's just me.

Shouldn’t this be dependent on vils pfr in the CO? Lots of vils are much tighter in CO.

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