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Can we push KK in 250 BB deep Can we push KK in 250 BB deep

11-04-2022 , 11:50 AM
Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
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UTG: $60.00 (120 bb)
MP (Hero): $130.39 (261 bb)
CO: $117.86 (236 bb)
BU: $79.02 (158 bb)
SB: $100.73 (201 bb)
BB: $50.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, CO 3-bets to $2.95, BTN calls $2.95, 2 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $11.80, CO calls $8.85, 1 fold

Flop: ($27.30) J 9 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.07, CO calls $8.07

Turn: ($43.44) K (2 players)
Hero bets $21.72, CO calls $21.72

River: ($86.88) Q (2 players)
Hero ???

Is it better to jam vs fish or vs reg?
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11-04-2022 , 12:16 PM
Bet bigger turn, b/f river vs both profiles? Is anyone really bluffing enough or raising any set or wose value (even worse, IP), on this type of texture???? Nothing in this hand makes me think he's a fish though, unless you have the hud stats and/or the read
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11-04-2022 , 12:19 PM
I've never seen you post a hand before.

Not sure I like the postflop sizing's, preflop is good.

SPR is over 4 and on that board texture you need to be going Big or X.

Turn is again too small. If you go 33 OTF you need to go 33/66/66.

River is a X/F.
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11-04-2022 , 01:12 PM
A reg is probably never showing up with a Ten, but a fish probably isn't either, because they aren't going to 3b a hand with a Ten in the first place.

I'm pretty thrilled about jamming the river here because I think they just has a set way more often than a random Ten when they call it off.
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11-04-2022 , 02:06 PM
turns gotta be a check some amount if youre trying to play well.

have looked at the sim now. as played idk. the big diff between betting and xing the river is he will x back AK / AA but will still vb sets. im somewhat unconfident that people are going to bet 2p / set type stuff vs a river x here even if they should which would make me lean more towards just betting. if you're beat youre getting stacked regardless so i think its whats the chance he heros something or bluffs some kind of 87 / heart draw (there admittedly isnt very many) hand vs checks back something that should bet and would have called a jam. im inclined to just jam at low stakes tbh which i guess is an argument to not x the turn. the sim im looking at always jams 200bb deep.

i didnt even notice the button flatter the first time. i guess that *should* change the co's range quite a bit. the sim for that action on gtowizard wants to pure x the river and c/c, while mostly betting the turn. i still dont think you can or should want to xf here on the river. he can have sets and you dont really ever have a better hand than this with any kind of frequency. i think you're better off actively putting in the money here and i think its very likely co is going to be too loose preflop here

Last edited by submersible; 11-04-2022 at 02:29 PM.
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11-04-2022 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I've never seen you post a hand before.

Not sure I like the postflop sizing's, preflop is good.

SPR is over 4 and on that board texture you need to be going Big or X.

Turn is again too small. If you go 33 OTF you need to go 33/66/66.

River is a X/F.
Most of my volume is on site without HH
I play blitz form time to time as warmup. Its quiet addicting.

Yeah sizing might be sloppy a bit. I think its fine to go smaller ott with top set.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AskZandar
A reg is probably never showing up with a Ten, but a fish probably isn't either, because they aren't going to 3b a hand with a Ten in the first place.

I'm pretty thrilled about jamming the river here because I think they just has a set way more often than a random Ten when they call it off.
yeah. I also dont see too many Tx in his range by the river.
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11-05-2022 , 04:59 AM
This hand confuses me quite a bit because I am not used to playing deep and I have a hard time putting CO on a pre-flop range. But it does seem to me like a decent amount of Tx can make it to the river here. AhTh, any QTs, any KTs, any JTs, any T9s, and maybe TT though it should probably be folding the turn. That's either 12 combos or 18 combos depending on whether villain folds TT on the turn. As for hands that we beat that call a river shove, it seems like there's mainly JJ, 99, and maybe QQ or 1 combo of KJs. That's 6 combos or maybe up to 10 combos. I don't feel very confident that the sets will all bet if checked to, but I still don't think we can check-fold.

It seems to me like checking just works out very poorly for us. I prefer a jam since I feel like the money goes in a bit better for us even if we are winning less than half the time. I want to make sure that the sets suffer. It would be pretty miserable if villain just checks JJ/99 and only bets Tx which isn't impossible.

I like how the hand is played even if I am pretty inexperienced deep. All of the sizings look good to me.

I probably like a jam better against a reg than a fish. A fish is probably going to be more loaded up with Tx since they will continue all of them on the turn. I don't feel strongly either way though.
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11-05-2022 , 06:25 AM
Whenever I play deep I just like to put the money in to get valuable 4bet pot play data. Don't bother telling me I'm ahead of the curve on this one, I know.
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11-05-2022 , 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unguarded
This hand confuses me quite a bit because I am not used to playing deep and I have a hard time putting CO on a pre-flop range. But it does seem to me like a decent amount of Tx can make it to the river here. AhTh, any QTs, any KTs, any JTs, any T9s, and maybe TT though it should probably be folding the turn. That's either 12 combos or 18 combos depending on whether villain folds TT on the turn. As for hands that we beat that call a river shove, it seems like there's mainly JJ, 99, and maybe QQ or 1 combo of KJs. That's 6 combos or maybe up to 10 combos. I don't feel very confident that the sets will all bet if checked to, but I still don't think we can check-fold.

It seems to me like checking just works out very poorly for us. I prefer a jam since I feel like the money goes in a bit better for us even if we are winning less than half the time. I want to make sure that the sets suffer. It would be pretty miserable if villain just checks JJ/99 and only bets Tx which isn't impossible.

I like how the hand is played even if I am pretty inexperienced deep. All of the sizings look good to me.

I probably like a jam better against a reg than a fish. A fish is probably going to be more loaded up with Tx since they will continue all of them on the turn. I don't feel strongly either way though.
I definitely wouldn't give him all of those Tx at full frequency. Some players don't 3b them pre, they could also fold pre, most of those are should mix folds otf or ott.
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11-05-2022 , 08:13 AM
Your river jam will be too large to get called by worse often enough.

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