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Can I fold? Can I fold?

12-11-2021 , 06:06 PM
The MP was something like 60/0 over 15 hands UTG is 35/24 over 25 hands.

I'm pretty sure the MP has Qx hand so trying to isolate, can i really fold when I'm 50BB in and get raise by UTG?

Or maybe should just call on flop...


PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 115.5 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 130.5 BB
MP: 59 BB
Hero (CO): 118.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 4 players) Q 4 4
BB checks, UTG bets 5 BB, MP raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 51 BB, fold, UTG raises to 127.5 BB and is all-in, MP calls 46 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 64.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (299.5 BB, 3 players) 2

River: (299.5 BB, 3 players) 8

MP cashed out 12 BB for a fee of 0 BB

UTG shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)

Main Pot [180.5 BB]: (Pre 81%, Flop 91%, Turn 98%)
Side Pot#1 [119 BB]: (Pre 93%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows A Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)

Main Pot [180.5 BB]: (Pre 5%, Flop 2%, Turn 1%)
Side Pot#1 [119 BB]: (Pre 7%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

MP shows 6 Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)

Main Pot [180.5 BB]: (Pre 14%, Flop 7%, Turn 1%)

UTG wins 289 BB
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12-11-2021 , 08:03 PM
ahhhhh, yes?

AQ offsuit is not a great hand, it is a pretty good hand under some circumstances. Calling an UTG raiser's 5 bet all-in shove is not one of those circumstances.

Your villain stats are pretty meaningless on this kind of sample. There is no way you can put an opponent on Qx like you said, I don't care what kind of stats you have.

A squeeze bet with AQ versus an UTG raiser and a cold caller is basically a bluff and you are trying to win the hand right there.

You don't have a card advantage versus the UTG raiser's estimated range based on his action, IMO.
You don't have the initiative.
You don't have a positional advantage (because he is all in).
You don't have fold equity (because he can't fold, he's already all in).

Your squeeze didn't work. You should fold.

GL, Magnum
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12-11-2021 , 08:12 PM
why did u raise to 50 bb
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12-11-2021 , 08:13 PM
I misread the flop action as the preflop action that's why I thought you were squeezing. My apologies.

In this situation I would refer to SPR and pot commitment. The SPR is about an 8 or a 9, which is usually a little too high for me to want to get all in with just top pair. So I think you should be going for pot control and a call would have been better on the flop.

You should try not to commit yourself unless you have a hand worthy of getting committed and that usually means a better than TP hand.

Magnum
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12-12-2021 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by submersible
why did u raise to 50 bb
MP had a 50bb stack and bad stats so trying to isolate and go all in with him.
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12-12-2021 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnum1111
I misread the flop action as the preflop action that's why I thought you were squeezing. My apologies.

In this situation I would refer to SPR and pot commitment. The SPR is about an 8 or a 9, which is usually a little too high for me to want to get all in with just top pair. So I think you should be going for pot control and a call would have been better on the flop.

You should try not to commit yourself unless you have a hand worthy of getting committed and that usually means a better than TP hand.

Magnum
Ok thanks
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12-12-2021 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by slowhandband
MP had a 50bb stack and bad stats so trying to isolate and go all in with him.
ok but cant you do that if you raise to 25 bb too?
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12-12-2021 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by submersible
ok but cant you do that if you raise to 25 bb too?
I suppose so yes, I wouldn't normally be that aggressive, I just felt I had a good edge on the MP and got a bit got headed I guess.
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12-12-2021 , 10:08 AM
Imo dont call preflop,3b
Dont 3bet flop, call and fold to UTG 3bet in case he does.
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12-12-2021 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0
Imo dont call preflop,3b
Dont 3bet flop, call and fold to UTG 3bet in case he does.
Let me guess fold because they have quads 98% of the time. LOL, your responses are hilarious. Poker isn't dead! hope to be at a table with you.
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12-12-2021 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by slowhandband
I suppose so yes, I wouldn't normally be that aggressive, I just felt I had a good edge on the MP and got a bit got headed I guess.
all raising to 50 does is makes u lose more when utg / bb has a good hand or gets u commited with a hand that will be smoked vs either's continue range
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12-12-2021 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SlyVaz
Let me guess fold because they have quads 98% of the time. LOL, your responses are hilarious. Poker isn't dead! hope to be at a table with you.
We can play hu if u want i like a good challenge!! 😁
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12-12-2021 , 07:36 PM
tbh u could probably make it 15bb and still accomplish the same thing you're trying to do here without putting in another 35 bb vs utg / bb when they wake up with a good hand (utg can have all of the overpairs and bb is most likely to have 2x except for maybe MP depending how accurate the stats are over such a small sample)

also definitely 3b pre. your hand plays poorly multiway and theres huge value in attacking mp's very loose range
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12-17-2021 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by submersible
tbh u could probably make it 15bb and still accomplish the same thing you're trying to do here without putting in another 35 bb vs utg / bb when they wake up with a good hand (utg can have all of the overpairs and bb is most likely to have 2x except for maybe MP depending how accurate the stats are over such a small sample)

also definitely 3b pre. your hand plays poorly multiway and theres huge value in attacking mp's very loose range

Hmm leak tracker says my 3 betting is way too low. I tend to mess it up on flop usually though. I've been crushing 2nl with tiny 3 bet% but know at higher limits this probably won't work.
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12-17-2021 , 10:11 AM
3b pre to isto fish.
Not much point in raise flop utg just folds bunch of hands that you beat and continues with AQ+ maybe some strong draws.
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