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11-11-2013 , 07:10 PM
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 251.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 45 BB (VPIP: 52.94, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (BB): 116.2 BB
UTG: 307.6 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K 6

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K 7 5
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) T
SB bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (52 BB, 2 players) T
SB bets 19 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 19 BB

V is a fish. low wsd along with high vpip. Though sample size is really small i saw 2 hands V went to river with very weak holdings.

Flop: If I am playing the fish with holdings as bad as K6 then I am never folding top pair obvs

Turn: Not much changes so I am happy with calling. I dont think a raise does anything good here...

River: river is such a blank. Would V have bet out on the turn after hitting the T despite K on flop? I don't think so... only hand I am really afraid of is AK but I knew on the turn when I made that call I was never folding unless an A came.

In this situation... am I too passive? am I calling off on the river with too much of a mediocre hand? Thx!
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11-11-2013 , 07:13 PM
In addition to that hand...

Hero (BB): 193.2 BB
UTG: 87 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
MP: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 37 BB (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 18)
BTN: 108.4 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
SB: 119.2 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) 9 Q 2
Hero bets 5 BB, MP calls 5 BB

Turn: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 10 BB, MP calls 10 BB

River: (38.4 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, MP bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

How often does V have two pair here? Is this also a bad call? or good call...?
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11-12-2013 , 07:52 AM
1st hand 3-bet pre.

2nd hand fold river.

I'm sure other will give you a better detailed analysis .
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11-12-2013 , 07:58 AM
1st hand, fold pre
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11-12-2013 , 11:10 AM
1st hand, 3bet or fold. i'd fold and wait for a better hand. if you call and get top pair you have no kicker and any king beats you. plus he's got a very short stack and in the long run i don't think it's +EV to call there with K6o.

2nd hand i don't see how he could have 2pair. only Q9 and maaaaybe 32 because the rest is 93, 92, 96, 63, 62.
Maybe he had J10 for a busted straight, or KJ. sometimes you could stand against a set but i think he'd raise the turn unless he rivered one.
I think i'd call here.
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11-13-2013 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Church
1st hand, fold pre
I think 3 bet might be the better play but then if you were considering how bad I am at this game folding saves money most of the time i guess.

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Originally Posted by TheBritishLion
1st hand 3-bet pre.

2nd hand fold river.

I'm sure other will give you a better detailed analysis .
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Originally Posted by supaplex10
1st hand, 3bet or fold. i'd fold and wait for a better hand. if you call and get top pair you have no kicker and any king beats you. plus he's got a very short stack and in the long run i don't think it's +EV to call there with K6o.

2nd hand i don't see how he could have 2pair. only Q9 and maaaaybe 32 because the rest is 93, 92, 96, 63, 62.
Maybe he had J10 for a busted straight, or KJ. sometimes you could stand against a set but i think he'd raise the turn unless he rivered one.
I think i'd call here.
Gotcha on the first hand. The only argument I'd make is that I don't see this fish folding to my 3bet anyway and if thats the case then I am forced to play a certain way postflop ... ie. at minimum c-bet with pair of kings and no kicker and get into too big of a pot for my weak hand.

Result: i think i got lucky but V had A7o

On the second hand my reasoning was pretty similar to urs i just wasn't sure if it was agreeable...

Result: J10
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11-13-2013 , 05:30 AM
I think 3b is worst option vs someone who plays 53/24 and has 45bb.
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11-13-2013 , 05:56 AM
Unless Im missing something then the villain in hand 1 is a total whale from what we know so far and we have seen him twice get to SD with weak holdings? (Pot size on these could influence though)

We have a high card so we are calling to try and flop TP thinking we might get paid off. We do that and call down. Yes its high variance close your eyes stuff but its only about 50bb and we will be good enough often enough for it to be profitable against this player type. the times you lose just tell yourself you have just paid a fee to keep the games good.
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11-13-2013 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Church
I think 3b is worst option vs someone who plays 53/24 and has 45bb.
I will also consider that. Its just I disliked the idea of folding.

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Originally Posted by MartL
Unless Im missing something then the villain in hand 1 is a total whale from what we know so far and we have seen him twice get to SD with weak holdings? (Pot size on these could influence though)

We have a high card so we are calling to try and flop TP thinking we might get paid off. We do that and call down. Yes its high variance close your eyes stuff but its only about 50bb and we will be good enough often enough for it to be profitable against this player type. the times you lose just tell yourself you have just paid a fee to keep the games good.
thats encouraging to read... I thought maybe my call on river was just too -EV but after seeing the river pair the turn I thought it'd be a good call.

do you have any observations from the 2nd hand?
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11-13-2013 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by A11
I will also consider that. Its just I disliked the idea of folding.
It's K6o, not sure what there is to dislike about folding K6o......

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thats encouraging to read... I thought maybe my call on river was just too -EV but after seeing the river pair the turn I thought it'd be a good call.

do you have any observations from the 2nd hand?
Fwiw, I think the river call is -EV, and I also don't think someone playing 53/24 instantly makes him a spazz postflop. So yeah, pre is a fold, but I don't expect to be good often vs a whale who 3 barrels with top pair no kicker.

I also just read, in hand 1 you're only afraid of AK? That makes no sense at all..... as you're pretty much afraid of every Kx, since you beat none of them......

Hand 2 is probably fine.
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11-13-2013 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Church
It's K6o, not sure what there is to dislike about folding K6o......



Fwiw, I think the river call is -EV, and I also don't think someone playing 53/24 instantly makes him a spazz postflop. So yeah, pre is a fold, but I don't expect to be good often vs a whale who 3 barrels with top pair no kicker.

I also just read, in hand 1 you're only afraid of AK? That makes no sense at all..... as you're pretty much afraid of every Kx, since you beat none of them......

Hand 2 is probably fine.
that does make no sense i dunno why i wrote that - once again proving my worth haha. Thanks for explaining the folding side.
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11-13-2013 , 09:08 AM
I think OP mentioned that we have seen him go to the river twice with weak holdings. Obviously we dont know the ins and outs of those hands but going on that would be enough for me to stack off with TP vs this villain.

As for the second hand I probably prefer bet/bet/bet rather than going for a check/call on the river. I feel if we check the river its to check/fold because I dont expect most people to bet worse and we miss value sometimes we are ahead and he will call a bet.
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11-13-2013 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MartL
I think OP mentioned that we have seen him go to the river twice with weak holdings. Obviously we dont know the ins and outs of those hands but going on that would be enough for me to stack off with TP vs this villain.

As for the second hand I probably prefer bet/bet/bet rather than going for a check/call on the river. I feel if we check the river its to check/fold because I dont expect most people to bet worse and we miss value sometimes we are ahead and he will call a bet.
holy bet river? but then we are definitely forced to fold when we are raised though... no?
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11-13-2013 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by A11
holy bet river? but then we are definitely forced to fold when we are raised though... no?
Yeah easy fold when raised. Its rare people at the micros turn missed draws in to bluffs and you will see people check behind here sometimes with hands like QT that will call a bet.
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11-13-2013 , 09:27 AM
hmm okay tyty
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