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Calling pre wrong? Once i call, should i be able to fold?

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05-18-2014 , 12:30 PM

shynepo3

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Would like some thoughts, if I should be able to fold at any point here? With stack sizes, etc. He had QQ btw.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2505645
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Hero (BTN): $4.57
SB: $3.38
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.16
MP: $3.48
CO: $2.08

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A

UTG raises to $0.07, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.17) 2

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.41) 2

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.01) T

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.67 all in, Hero calls $0.67

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05-18-2014 , 04:24 PM

Swanndogg

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it's fine. he has some KJ, QJ, KQ, 89, Ax

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05-19-2014 , 03:00 AM

SchinkenToni

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Originally Posted by Swanndogg

it's fine. he has some KJ, QJ, KQ, 89, Ax

This is 2NL, i doubt anybody will fire 3 barrels with 89/Ax/KQ, especially the riverbet. Although he is short stacked ofcourse.
Most 2NL players are weaker/scared, more willing to call bets then to bluff themself.

For the range mentioned above, you should also include AA/QQ/KK/JJ/TT and maybe 22 (depending on how much he opens). Maybe even JT, or AT.

In general, without paying attention to villains stats, calling preflop and then c/c flop, turn and river is not the best of plays.

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05-19-2014 , 03:34 AM

Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by SchinkenToni

Guys a fish, u would be surprised

Call down is good

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05-19-2014 , 04:04 AM

thetallpaul

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WP. No point raising and can't fold TPTK vs 50bb fish. He could have QQ+ or Tx but fishes be fishing. Also could be AK, weaker Jx, or some underpairs hoping you would call with A high playing the 2 pairs on the board. I doubt this is a missed draw bluff though at 2NL (89 for example). You will be behind a lot but you only need 28%.

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05-20-2014 , 03:39 AM

SchinkenToni

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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii

Guys a fish, u would be surprised

Call down is good

Is he a fish because he doesnt play with a full stack?
I then see what you mean.

Would our line change if villain played with full stack?

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05-20-2014 , 03:43 AM

Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by SchinkenToni

Is he a fish because he doesnt play with a full stack?
I then see what you mean.

Would our line change if villain played with full stack?

Nah it's still a call down if he bet these sizings and was full stacked.

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05-20-2014 , 03:47 AM

JOSHWB

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Originally Posted by SchinkenToni

Is he a fish because he doesnt play with a full stack?
I then see what you mean.

Would our line change if villain played with full stack?

Of course the hand changes if we are both 100bb but as played flop and turn and fine. River is dependant on villains tendencies on whether you think he's capable of triple barreling hands as bluffs or over valuing hands like QJ KJ. You say he's fishy so go with your read but calling down 50bb with TPTK against this type of villain is usually fine.

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05-20-2014 , 07:09 AM

SchinkenToni

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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii

Nah it's still a call down if he bet these sizings and was full stacked.

I must be missing something, whats wrong with his betsizing, he bets 2/3 pot? Shocks he bet. smaller on turn & river?

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05-20-2014 , 07:25 AM

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Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by SchinkenToni

I must be missing something, whats wrong with his betsizing, he bets 2/3 pot? Shocks he bet. smaller on turn & river?

What I mean his it's a call vs these sizings if he was full stacked still.

If he overbet jammed river or something it's a fold.

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05-20-2014 , 07:51 AM

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Lutra

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What's his PFR UTG also how often does he see showdown and not give up?

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05-20-2014 , 08:17 AM

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TWhelan

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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii

If he overbet jammed river or something it's a fold.

lol, not sure about that tbh.

@OP hand is wp, you can 3bet pre to isolate + for value vs some fish there but the way you played it is fine.

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05-20-2014 , 08:27 AM

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KittiesRule

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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii

Guys a fish, u would be surprised

Call down is good

How come you declare every villain a fish, when we've been given absolutely 0 information about the guy.

Fwiw, against an unknown UTG raiser, you should probly fold river. Most people don't even play KJo/QJo/JTo UTG, so the only worse jacks in his range are 16 combos of J9/JT/QJ/and KJ suited.

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05-20-2014 , 08:51 AM

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Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by KittiesRule

Because he plays 2nl and his stack size.

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05-20-2014 , 11:34 AM

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shynepo3

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Originally Posted by Lutra

What's his PFR UTG also how often does he see showdown and not give up?

Sorry I didn't have enough of a sample - this is rush...

Thanks for the thoughts guys

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