Now please explain to me how the above question is not meant to be an offense, I'm really struggling with seeing it in an unoffensive light. Since you say "no offense", I assume you wouldn't want me to get offended just because I misunderstood, would you?
you know when he doesn't bet himself the turn or the river. What is he gonna call your bet with?
This is kinda my thinking too. What are you really getting value from on this river? He is not gonna call you with 77 or 67 (or am I wrong about this), and every other 8 beats you. And no way he is calling w/ A hi when you could be making some weird 89 valuebet.
Edit: Id say he could call your bet w/ 97, 67, 77 on river and A hi , and I dont think he calls w/ A hi
re-edit: Actually I doubt there are many A hi's in his range that he didnt 2 barrel (ie w/o a flush draw)
This is kinda my thinking too. What are you really getting value from on this river? He is not gonna call you with 77 or 67 (or am I wrong about this), and every other 8 beats you. And no way he is calling w/ A hi when you could be making some weird 89 valuebet.
Edit: Id say he could call your bet w/ 97, 67, 77 on river and A hi , and I dont think he calls w/ A hi
re-edit: Actually I doubt there are many A hi's in his range that he didnt 2 barrel (ie w/o a flush draw)
of course there are many AJ type hands he doesnt double barrel. Thats a terrible turn card to barrel.
and yes im betting to get value from 88, 77, 67 86 type hands and A hi type hands that want to hero call.
if villain is any good you are getting more often c/r on this river than c/c because c/c this river with 77/67/86/A high hands is just super bad because WHAT does he beat again?
river, people are overestimating the frequency of hero calls. And like insyder said, we're more likely to get raised with his hero-calling range (and air). That said, on the river, we have the best here a ton, but villain doesn't have much of a c/c range. With solid dynamic and good meta, the river bet can have value pretty much solely to induce spazz because our river range is pretty weak and are almost always going for thin value (given turn check). So if I bet, I'm alwasy calling, but I'm not betting unless I can call.
river, people are overestimating the frequency of hero calls. And like insyder said, we're more likely to get raised with his hero-calling range (and air). That said, on the river, we have the best here a ton, but villain doesn't have much of a c/c range. With solid dynamic and good meta, the river bet can have value pretty much solely to induce spazz because our river range is pretty weak and are almost always going for thin value (given turn check). So if I bet, I'm alwasy calling, but I'm not betting unless I can call.
river, people are overestimating the frequency of hero calls. And like insyder said, we're more likely to get raised with his hero-calling range (and air). That said, on the river, we have the best here a ton, but villain doesn't have much of a c/c range. With solid dynamic and good meta, the river bet can have value pretty much solely to induce spazz because our river range is pretty weak and are almost always going for thin value (given turn check). So if I bet, I'm alwasy calling, but I'm not betting unless I can call.
Now please explain to me how the above question is not meant to be an offense, I'm really struggling with seeing it in an unoffensive light. Since you say "no offense", I assume you wouldn't want me to get offended just because I misunderstood, would you?
I should probably have specified, are you a coach at these stakes?
river, people are overestimating the frequency of hero calls. And like insyder said, we're more likely to get raised with his hero-calling range (and air). That said, on the river, we have the best here a ton, but villain doesn't have much of a c/c range. With solid dynamic and good meta, the river bet can have value pretty much solely to induce spazz because our river range is pretty weak and are almost always going for thin value (given turn check). So if I bet, I'm alwasy calling, but I'm not betting unless I can call.
great post, well worded. also, pretty embarassing the huge ego wars in this thread, and i must say some of the poorly explained 1 sentance derogatory comments in a lot of these threads (from established posters) is
