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12-12-2015 , 05:46 AM
Hey guys, no reads on villain but given the action i think villain is pretty capped at one pair type hands and i think i would slowplay my stronger hands some % of the time given how dry the flop is. thoughts?



PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.21 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (SB): $7.06
BB: $2.00 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
UTG: $2.64 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 27)
MP: $3.12 (VPIP: 23.16, PFR: 17.99, 3Bet Preflop: 9.86, Hands: 194)
CO: $0.99 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, fold, BTN calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38, 2 players) 3 7 J
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28

Turn: ($0.94, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.94, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.45, Hero raises to $6.60 and is all-in,
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12-12-2015 , 06:01 AM
Wow.
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12-12-2015 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilfred1
Wow.
Bad?
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12-12-2015 , 06:56 AM
is this a troll?
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12-12-2015 , 07:59 AM
Lol
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12-12-2015 , 08:29 AM
BTNs range has some twopairs. It is possible he calls Axs, stabs A3 A7 and checks turn.

Your range is more capped than his, how many times you play strong A this way, check/raise river?
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12-12-2015 , 06:21 PM
apparently this was a horrendous bluff but here is my thought process. feel free to critique

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Originally Posted by Shamway99
BTNs range has some twopairs. It is possible he calls Axs, stabs A3 A7 and checks turn.

Your range is more capped than his, how many times you play strong A this way, check/raise river?
I was thinking more about what i would do with a set in this spot. JJ especially Im sure i would c/c flop fairly often. On the river I would normally lead out but on an Ace I expect villains betting frequency to be high since he has missed braodways and some Ax and maybe weak PP's that he is turning into a bluff.

So why not c/r my value range and get an extra bet out of a lot of his range and put that range in a gross spot? stuff like 99-TT is checking back anyway and folding if I lead the ace.

in terms of bluffs, i thought that Jx would be a good candidate as it blocks his AJ combos, but in hindsight those bet the turn so maybe 7x might have been better.
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12-12-2015 , 06:40 PM
This is absolutely how I'd play my best value hands here, and JTs doesn't really want to call so it could fall in the bluff category.

It's down to population reads and whether you want to try and make some 2nl guy you have 13 hands on fold Ax. And whether JTs is the best candidate out of all your 89/9T/7x hands. But mostly it's how bad you feel when he snaps you off with A2 that makes you want to not have a bluff range.

Edit: Check/raise river with value hands is best because he'll have a ton of A highs when he checks back turn, and any air that didn't bet turn is pretty likely to stab at the river.
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12-12-2015 , 06:58 PM
We may also consider lead river with bluffs and valuehands. Then having no c/r range cos we have very few extremely strong hands like JJ, rather AK/AQ. Might be better than c/r, takes value from Ax and puts pressure on weak A.
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12-12-2015 , 07:13 PM
I'm lost here, why not just play for showdown value of our pair of J's and do a x/c. That river card may have given Villain best hand but it also gave him fodder for a river bluff when he has worse.

At 2NL I think any AQ/AK is going to have a hard time folding to this line. You are getting called by better hands and NEVER getting paid off by worse.

I think the risk/reward is just too big to turn a profit from this.
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12-12-2015 , 07:25 PM
Actualy my pop read is that line bet-check-bet is underbluffed, weighted to value. Both ip or oop. That is why I dont want to play strong hands by check river and bluffs by check/raise. I would fold river as played.
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12-12-2015 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shamway99
Actualy my pop read is that line bet-check-bet is underbluffed, weighted to value. Both ip or oop. That is why I dont want to play strong hands by check river and bluffs by check/raise. I would fold river as played.
My first thought was to fold and I agree that his line is underbluffed. However I do think that his value hands are limited to Ax hands and a few 2 pairs so if I play sets this way I can put his whole range into a difficult spot.


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Originally Posted by krimson
I'm lost here, why not just play for showdown value of our pair of J's and do a x/c.

At 2NL I think any AQ/AK is going to have a hard time folding to this line. You are getting called by better hands and NEVER getting paid off by worse.
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
JTs doesn't really want to call so it could fall in the bluff category.
I agree with Bladesman that Jx doesn't really want to call here since villain has a boatload of Ax in his range. And sure AQ/AK might not fold at this limit but I think putting his range into a difficult spot is good and we shouldnt be concerned with results much. He did fold fwiw.

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
This is absolutely how I'd play my best value hands here, and JTs doesn't really want to call so it could fall in the bluff category.

It's down to population reads and whether you want to try and make some 2nl guy you have 13 hands on fold Ax. And whether JTs is the best candidate out of all your 89/9T/7x hands. But mostly it's how bad you feel when he snaps you off with A2 that makes you want to not have a bluff range.
Would you consider playing AK this way or would that be a bit thin? I agree that Jx might not have been the best candidate as that easily becomes a lot of combos that im bluffing. I would be barrelling 89/9T so using 67/78 as bluffs would've probably been best.
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12-13-2015 , 04:06 AM
AQ and AK won't fold at any limit.
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