I'll happily go read another thread if someone cares to link but I haven't read anything on this particular facet of c-betting.

You raise or isolate from the BTN with 76s. For now we'll disregarded the EV of raising this particular hand, although I think its a pretty standard in most cases.

Assumptions:
- We are 100bb deep
- The hand is heads-up going into the flop

Situation 1

Villain is 54/4 fish, standard LP who plays draws passive, calls too wide pre and postflop, will station-call too many hands, and is a little unpredictable in nature. He limped from MP. You isolated with 76s.

Flop: Kd Qs 6h
Fish checks, Hero ?


Situation 2

Villain is a 28/12 regfish. Pretty much everything a regfish implies, still limping hands pre, plays too passive postflop, but understand basic concepts like set-mining. You raised BTN with 76s and he flatted in BB.

Flop: Kd Qs 6h
Regfish checks, Hero ?


Situation 3

Villain is a 16/12 reg/nit. Very straightforward, but obviously with some leaks. You raised BTN with 76s and he flatted in BB.

Flop: Kd Qs 6h
Reg/nit checks, Hero ?


All comments appreciated

bet

bet

bet

If you have a sec would appreciate your thoughts/back-up

1) Cbet but only half pot and give up if he calls and you don't improve on the turn, these types don't pay attention to bet sizing so no need to 2/3 pot it.

2) cbet and plan on 2 barreling on a lot of turns. These types float way too wide on the flop but give up a lot on the turn.

3) cbet and give up on most turns. When this type calls your cbet you are behind way too often even though there aren't a ton of K or Q in their preflop ranges here.

My thoughts

I'd probably bet all three yeah, though I'd be a bit happier about it if we had like 7s6s. I see regfish and straightforward nits getting really stubborn in these spots with a lot of PPs, so it'd be nice having a few extra turn cards that we can comfortably barrel on.

vs the loose passive I'd probably bet flop, click back basically any non 6/7 turn and evaluate river.

bet all 3 because they have a lot of hands that they call pre with, and then fold to a cbet. How do you feel with 88 when you flat, and then face a cbet on a flop like that?

Same situations except cards change

We have KTo and flop comes AdTs4h

Bet 1+2, CB 3

check/check/bet. the third guys range has a lot more pp relative to random big cards. betting vs. the other two guys that are calling with any two big cards and peeling the flop with any pair/draw isn't that great imo. its +ev obv but so is checking

i'd probably bet in all those cases. take your 1 stab at the pot, u have no showdown value. cbet has gotta show profit against almost anyone, too much of their range misses.

Don't we want to make them pay to see a turn with a hand that almost always has at least 6 outs and possibly more? I don't see a point in checking unless we expect to get more value on later streets (unlikely with 3rd pair) or induce bluffs (unlikely given villain descriptions). Could you explain your reasons why checking is better?

fwiw I'm betting largely for value vs villain 1 and expect to be called by worse pretty often and win a showdown after turn and river check through.

i meant the 76s ones. with KT on ATx i'd bet vs passive stations and check vs the nit.

all the other responses are from better players but i'm saying
1. check
2. bet
3. bet

The 76s hands:

-You have enough FE
-You dont want him to draw you out for free
-His nonpaired hands has 6+ outs very often
-You dont want to check and face a hard turn decision
-And vs the nit you can make him fold better PP's
-Look at it as a semibluff with 5 outs

So, all three situations is bets IMO.

I'd bet all 3 as well. I would not double barrel these often.

Would you guys still c-bet #1 if you had Air?

Yes

you mean make you pay? a calling range of any pair any draw has really good equity here vs. bottom pair.

its also not a hard turn decision if you get bet into. you fold (ui obv). what's hard about that?

Even if that turn decision is an easy fold, we dont want to necessarily put ourselves in that spot. This is readless, so villain is still capable of having bluffs in that range, which makes us have to fold the best hand. That is a much more frequent bluff than a c/r on the flop imo, but im not 100% sure.

you fold the best hand a lot anyway. when you bet flop, loose villain is calling with like any two cards 10+ which is a huge chunk of his range. when you dont improve on the turn, it will go check/check, and on river he will usually bet with his good hands as well as the stuff that misses like AT ui or whatever, and you fold the best hand here also, altho after putting more money in.

Its hard to make any clear assumptions about whats the most +EV decision, but im pretty sure we have to put weight into the fact that our hand is vulnerable and villain has two bluffing opportunities if we ck+ck.

Lets say he plays Q9o+,AX,PP's,45o+ and any suited. Thats 50%.

If we bet, he continues with this range (any pair any draw - not backdoordraws):

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.447% 42.05% 00.39% 367628 3433.50 { 76s }
Hand 1: 57.553% 57.16% 00.39% 499675 3433.50 { 22+, ATs+, A7s, K2s+, Q2s+, J9s+, J7s, T9s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 72s+, ATo+, A7o, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, T9o }

Thats 28% of hands.


And he folds 22% of hands:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.792% 74.44% 03.36% 572589 25814.00 { 76s }
Hand 1: 22.208% 18.85% 03.36% 145013 25814.00 { A9s-A8s, A6s-A2s, J8s, J6s-J2s, T8s, T6s-T2s, 96s-92s, 86s-82s, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A9o-A8o, A6o-A2o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }

By checking we are giving him freecards vs a range with significant equity. Thats very bad esp when we have good FE with a half pot cbet.

The reason why we sometimes want to check is if we want villain to improve or bluff, when he has almost no equity with the range folds to a cbet, IE: KK on A72r. We want him to improve to a pair with or draw with the random J3s or T9x etc. This is also a hand we cant get more than 1,5 street of value with so its ok to check.

sure your hand is vulnerable, bc it sucks. when you check, you dont just give him free cards, you give you free cards. its not like we're never the one that's behind here.

If I have a read that villain checks down without SD value, and have a wide PF range. I'm much more inclined to check.

well, like i said, if you're not doubling, which you pretty much can't, villain can bluff river after peeling just the same as he can bluff turn. also don't forget that sometimes you will get c/r on the flop by both better and worse hands and have to fold yourself.

bottom line is that this board hits a very large % of villain's (1&2) range, which makes cbetting a pretty marginal profit. checking is free, and we have a few cards that improve us, as well as a little bit of sd value ui, making the ev of our freeroll pretty decent even though we lose the pot a little bit more.