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BvB vs the monkey! BvB vs the monkey!

03-13-2011 , 06:10 PM
Villain on SB is 60/30 over 60 hands and pretty aggro, hes clicking buttons relentlessly . Most of his pre flop raises are minraises.

I had the Jesus seat but been card dead so i had almost no history against this fella.


Well, now you gonna flame me :P, but we played this hand the last time we were bvb.

MP was a 50/20 whale and as i stated before, SB was really aggro. So i had a gutshot, a backdoor fd and tons of implied etc. I like my preflop and flop calls.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($91.07)
Hero ($25.45)
UTG ($28.30)
UTG+1 ($20)
CO ($24.65)
BTN ($13.47)

Dealt to Hero 8 4

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25

FLOP ($1.50) 6 K 7

SB bets $1, Hero calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1

TURN ($4.50) 6 K 7 J

SB bets $5, Hero calls $5, UTG+1 folds

RIVER ($14.50) 6 K 7 J 5

SB bets $10.25, Hero raises to $18.95 (AI), SB calls $8.70

SB shows T K
(Pre 62%, Flop 76.6%, Turn 72.7%)

Hero shows 8 4
(Pre 38%, Flop 23.4%, Turn 27.3%)

Hero wins $50.40




Focus on this hand now please. We are a little bit deep now and i 3bet pre to take initiative on the hand because his potential tilt+im IP+its gonna be hard to get stacks in the middle if we play an almost limped pot i think its ok to 3bet pre.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($37.65)
Hero ($67.99)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($33.30)
CO ($23.28)
BTN ($29.51)

Dealt to Hero Q K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2

FLOP ($5) 3 T J

SB bets $2,

How spewy would be to raise/stackoff here? I expect him to fold a lot if i make it like $9 . And if not hes probably stacking off wit AT or J5, but idk, maybe i can increase my edge later on the hand than being 60/40 :\

Hero calls $2

TURN ($9) 3 T J K

SB bets $4,

Is this a bettter spot to raise/stackoff? Stacksizes makes is akward because shoving makes it a big fat raise so ... hero?
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03-13-2011 , 06:26 PM
calls, hes prob not that strong imo, given how he near pots flop, turn river with tp, and now its smalls bets

that said raising turn is prob fine to bloat pot up with tp plus oesd, plus his calling range can be wide with ax jx qx 9x hands calling lol gutshot, 2prs, 1pr hands all call

**** it, id raise turn and flat flop

Last edited by Mark89er; 03-13-2011 at 06:32 PM.
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03-13-2011 , 08:37 PM
As long as he'll stack off with any Tx/Jx/Kx then I think a turn raise is good for value. Without that strong of a read though I might just call down here. He'd have to be a total spewtard to call off much worse here. However I think your flop edge is big enough that I'd have next to no problem getting it on the flop. OESD + 2 overs is good enough for me.
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03-13-2011 , 08:50 PM
call and call any river
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03-13-2011 , 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VithelTone
call and call any river


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($37.65)
Hero ($67.99)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($33.30)
CO ($23.28)
BTN ($29.51)

Dealt to Hero Q K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2

FLOP ($5) 3 T J

SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

TURN ($9) 3 T J K

SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

RIVER ($17) 3 T J K Q

SB bets $29.15 (AI), Hero
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03-13-2011 , 09:32 PM
deff a raise in this spot, there is lots of SDvalue + equity hands that will call you. I prob raise fold here on turn. and if he just calls the turn I c/f any broadway cards. If its a blank I bet small to get value from his SD hands.

play vs his range, villian is deff only playing his hand and nothing else.
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03-13-2011 , 09:42 PM
well, thats the only one im folding
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03-13-2011 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by elpsnot
deff a raise in this spot, there is lots of SDvalue + equity hands that will call you. I prob raise fold here on turn. and if he just calls the turn I c/f any broadway cards. If its a blank I bet small to get value from his SD hands.

play vs his range, villian is deff only playing his hand and nothing else.
This is horrible advice
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03-13-2011 , 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VithelTone
This is horrible advice
whats so horrible??
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03-13-2011 , 10:16 PM
wouldn't ship flop vs this aggro monkey, we have OESD + 2 overs but he is stacking off with TP or better here based on previous hand so we're kinda flipping. we also have position so flop is flat

turn: call or raise is both fine, a small raise probably more +ev given he'll call with Tx/Jx/Qx

river: gross river, fold
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03-13-2011 , 10:24 PM
raise/fold turn is terrible, you better transfer him the money so you dont have to pay rake :P
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03-13-2011 , 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elpsnot
whats so horrible??
that you're advocating turning our hand into a bluff.
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03-14-2011 , 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VithelTone
call and call any river
Quote:
Originally Posted by VithelTone
well, thats the only one im folding
+1
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03-14-2011 , 02:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crimsontide
that you're advocating turning our hand into a bluff.
A bluff?? Iam advocating getting value by raising on the turn when we can get it from a ton of hands that will call(By betting we are getting value from like 90% of his range on the turn and if he re-pops then we ran into the top of his value range and we are beat).... My plan would never be to fold out better, because we never are so iam not advocating a bluff here.Iam advocating value.

And by raising the turn we get our value, thats gonna be very hard to get on the river, because there is a lot of cards that will kill our action.
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03-14-2011 , 07:32 AM
He's going to shove a lot of his combo draws so I don't think r/f is good. There's a case for raise call if we think he 3-bet shoves a range we're ahead of, but since it's so hard to put him on a range I like just keeping his range as wide as possible and calling down. Maybe it's a leak but I usually don't like raise/folding vs. maniacs. They always 3-bet a wide but strongish range so I usually won't raise a hand that I'm not ready to stack off with, but I will have a much wider stackoff range than I would vs. even a bad LAG.
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03-14-2011 , 09:10 AM
Raise the flop for FE

If you "expect him to fold a lot" to a flop raise then he's probably not going to donk "stack off" unless he connects on the turn or river anyways.

You're def ahead here against his range if he stacks off on the flop.
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03-14-2011 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
+1
+1.... POSTS,
id call and re-evaluate riv. prob not folding against maniac.
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