Table is anonymous. No stats. 100bb effective. No real reads on villain yet.


Hero is sb and dealt A4

Preflop
4 folds, Hero raises to 12, bb calls.

Flop (24)
4 8 K

Hero bets 17, bb calls.

Turn (58)
A

Hero bets 42, bb raises to 115


I mean it is bvb, but what value hands is he repping that we beat? 88 and A8. He could have picked up a combo draw with diamonds.
I just think it's a tad more interesting than 'shove turn' tho I could be wrong.
What is best line and why on turn?
Thanks.

Board: 4d 8c Ks

equity win tie
Hand HERO: 24.885% 13.84% { As4s }
Hand VILLAIN: 75.115% 64.07% { 88, 44, A8s, A4s, Qd8d, Jd8d, Td8d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 6d5d, A8o, A4o }

~Equity dictated by pot odds on turn: 73/288 = 25.34%

I don't know how aggressive Bovada games are in terms of blind vs blind so let me know what you think of the range I used for villain.

I think that range is fine... I would add a tad more spazz.

I called his raise. I figured his value range has me crushed, I wasn't looking to fold too many rivers. I wouldn't be a fan of diamonds on the river obv.

River was 5 of diamonds.

I checked, he shoved....

I think you occasionally see value raises with worse; especially, when you consider how widely a lot of people continuation bet this particular turn card on this board. But that's not the main reason I would not consider folding this hand.

In a lot of MSNL games, I probably wouldn't advocate an over adjustment at an anonymous table with no information. Instead of focusing on the best way to adjust to someone with no information, try focusing on the actual game play. Consider how lucky you are to have top and bottom pair when you face this raise out of all the hands that you probably bet on the turn. The fact that this hand is probably above the 90th percentile for a solid range, folding here at any time would be a big mistake (without a very solid read, of course). Another way of looking at the spot is that it's just so easy for your opponent to raise 100% of his range on this turn and bluff profitably against most MSNL players that I would not fold. Now, is he doing that on this turn card? I don't know... You don't know... that's the point of choosing our best hands in proportion to the pot and bet sizing and going from there as we attempt to learn holes in our opponents' games.

With this hand, I much prefer a call. It's a very good hand, but not a great one, which is definitely one of the criteria (perhaps loosely a bit) for 3 betting the turn. Like you said, to see a worse hand raising for value here is probably a little hopeful. I don't expect it to occur often.

To 3 bet the turn, the best hands with which to take the line are KK, 88, and 44 (probably in that order) because you're maximally likely to run into slightly worse hands. You can imagine the case that 3 betting AA would be worse than any of the above 3 hands because you're maximally likely to run into a bluffing combination that's out of proportion to your opponent's true value range as you have the hidden information about the true number of Ax combinations available to him. So while AA is better than KK on this turn in the absolute sense, it's not a better 3 betting hand on the turn in the relative sense because of card removal effects and the hidden information you have with AA that you'd be able to exploit, i.e. that most of the value combinations that your opponent is representing (A4 and A8) are blocked and reduced from a possible total of 18 combinations to a possible total of 6 combinations.

Per usual Shootaa nails it.

Thanks guys for the responses.... and the for the usual great lengthy response shootaa.

My plan in game was to call all non diamond rivers. As I figured the likelihood was he picked up a diamond draw on either a float or combo draw. So I folded. I figured he still would be shoving his 44, 88, and A8. I just didn't feel there were enough bluffs left on this particular river.

He had 99, and I felt like a bum I guess I leveled myself and gave too much credit. Still a bit curious with my specific hand on just calling turn tho.

Ya no need to fret you played it well. Calling turn is definitely the best play, especially since you were doing just fine against a pure value/solid semi bluff range. That river makes it a very tough spot, especially in anonymous games.

call/eval river

I think we are ahead most of the time with 2pair, if we think he donks off any ace on this turn, then ship it holla.