Villain in the hand is JFish, we haven't played much 6max against each other the only real history is yesterday 3 handed I 4bet shoved on the flop w/AQ on an A73r board and he had 77. I have him at 20/15/3, and he really doesn't get out of line too much from what I've seen. I've been fairly loose at the table because the two players to my immediate right have been open limping a ton. I'm playing 26/22/6, but he probably has me at something like 22/18/4.

When he c/c the flop I thought his most likely hands were AQ, AJ, QQ and JJ. I'm pretty sure he never has AK, AA, KK or KT. I'm pretty sure he's never vbetting AJ here, so when he bets he pretty much always has AQ, QQ or JJ. But does he call with AQ and QQ if I shove enough for a shove to be profitable?



Full Tilt Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BB: $819.80
UTG: $261
MP: $1,056.10
Hero (CO): $659.25
BTN: $688.20
SB: $1,558.30

Pre-Flop: T T dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $12, MP folds, Hero calls $12, BTN folds, SB raises to $60, BB folds, UTG calls $48, Hero calls $48

Flop: ($186) T A K (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $162, SB calls $162, UTG folds

Turn: ($510) J (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($510) K (2 Players)
SB bets $205, Hero calls $205

meh althought I'd be pretty certain of being ahead I really can't see him calling a river raise with worse so nh

yep, I think a call here is right, I doubt he has anything that he would really call a raise with. Then pop em on the riv

Guys we have the best hand here like 100% of the time, if he has AA/KK/AK/KT he would have tried to get more money in on the flop and if he had JJ I think he's pretty much always just c/f the flop since it's three way and there are two overs out. Even if he doesn't call a raise with a queen often, I think it's worth giving it a try because I think we are more likely to get a crying call out of a queen than we are to value stack ourselves vs. a higher boat.

Also, if he did have a bigger boat, I would expect him to make a much larger river bet to try to extract from us if we have a queen. I really really think he has a queen here basically always.

I completely misread this hand though the action was on turn. I def raise this river cause i think u always have the best hand and why no try to get value from worse

i would shove.

I think I have the best hand a large percentage of the time, maybe always, but if I shove what worst hands does a really good player call me with? Playing 3/6 for JFish is playing down, if I'm not mistaken he has played up to 50/100. And if I shove and he has AQ, QQ the only hands he beats are bluffs, and he can't possibly imagine I would shove as a bluff which would barely be a minraise.

I also don't think he ever has KQ or KT, because with the donk SS raising I'm pretty sure he's only squeezing with hands that he will happily call with if the shorty shoves when it gets back to him.

I'm not saying shoving is the wrong play, I just want somebody to explain what added value is there in shoving over calling.

What did u peg him for AK?

Considering the fact that in the OP I said he never has AK here, what do you think?

Meh, now that I think about it, I guess shoving will get called by a straight here enough to make it better than calling considering he'll probably talk himself into a call because I could be shoving a straight hoping to get him off a chop since it's pretty obvious he never has a boat.

BTW, I would've definitely shoved if I had 200 more on the river because then it is possible I'm shoving the river as a bluff while as only having a minraise left pretty much eliminates the chances I'm bluffing.

oh its only a little bit more to shove dunno why I thought we were deeper- then shove

Easy shove given stack sizes, I'd be surprised if anybody could fold a straight for that little more.

surprised jfish didint lead turn w/ straight (assuming thats what he had, dont see why he cant c/c AK/KK/AA on this flop)

you need to include reads on utg

LOL, he's sitting with $261, I thought that made the reads self explanatory, ie. he's horrible. I also did mention how he and the other guy on my immediate had been open limping a ton.


Wouldn't checking AK, KK, AA being pretty terrible 3 way? Any Q or J comes and you hate your hand.

That's another thing that was weird about the hand, wouldn't AQ or QQ just donk the turn? Because he really can't expect me to bet the turn even if I'm bluffing unless he thinks I'm bad spewy because his hand really looks like a pair+straight draw.

nice hand

depends partly on the donk doesnt it, since he has good relative position in respect to the donk, and given his stack size your range is going to be obvious. So dont "LOL" at me next time plz