This is a situation I run into often, and I'm not sure if I'm playing it correctly..

PokerStars - $0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (MP): 102.5 BB
CO: 107 BB
BTN: 144 BB
SB: 180.43 BB
BB: 77.47 BB
UTG: 245 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qd Kd
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop : (21.5 BB, 2 players) 4d Ts 6d
Hero checks, BTN bets 13 BB, Hero raises to 92.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 79.5 BB

Turn : (206.5 BB, 2 players) Ah

River : (206.5 BB, 2 players) 4c

Hero shows Qd Kd (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 16%, Flop 33%, Turn 23%)

BTN shows Ac Ad (Full House, Aces full of Fours)
(Pre 84%, Flop 67%, Turn 77%)

BTN wins 199.83 BB


Villian has a 3bet range of 6%, I'm sure he's wider from the BU, but the range I'm giving him is TT+,ATs+,AJo+,KQo,KQs.

I always feel I need to jam here for max fold equity given I'm OOP and flush draws don't get there often enough to flat, also I have zero SDV.

When I jam my RFE is 72%, and my drawing equity is 34%, so my real RFE is say 40% (is this logic flawed?). Say he calls with TT+ (30 combos), and folds all other none made hands (53 combos) that means he should be folding about 66% of the time here.

Is this the correct way to play these spots? I feel like calling is -EV in the long, and I can't have this in my PF calling range to just fold these flops.

one word of advice: shoving 2x pot on the flop is pretty much telegraphing that you have a flush draw

What do you think the line is and why? Raise to 40BB, fold to jam. Then what am I doing on bricked turns? I'd have about 50BB with a 100BB pot.

What are you raising for value to this size?


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I'd fold preflop is he really has a 6% 3bet range.

As played:

Can also donk flop

I don't think we want any shipping range in our XR size - I'd XR small or just calling is fine too.

I notice you advocate a lot of flop donks in 3b pots. Mind sharing any solver solutions in these spots? Or is this an exploit you like to implement (clearly having Donk bets in this spot makes bluffing a lot more profitable than overbet jamming the flop for one)


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Given the 3bet range for Villian posted above my continue range looks something like this - 99+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, AQo+, thats about 50% of my RFI combos, that range has 50% equity vs his 3bet range. Folding KQs gives him a really profitable 3bet.

I'm convinced jamming isn't correct, but why would you want to donk? You put a good hand in a tough spot if you're raised, and he can float light to bluff me on later streets.

I think I should have just called. I have two overs, and a strong flush draw. I can save weaker draws for a check raise that would have trouble on continuing on most turns. Whereas here any jack, queen, king or diamond improves my hand.

I wouldn't fold to a jam

if called I think you check a brick & calculate your pot odds (giving yourself roughly half an out for an overcard) - villain's calling range is going to include very little that will fold to a turn shove

the reason why I bring this up is you're asking to be called by 77-99 here which you don't want. when someone shoves a board like that in a 3 bet pot I pretty much always assume it's a draw. value hands generally ain't doing that. If you had AT or a set, would you be shoving?

all that said...does anyone else just fold KQs pre here? Idk if I'm just tight here but when you're OOP it seems like you're gonna lose much bigger pots than you'll win

Just skimmed through the above posts so maybe I missed it, but I think it's important to think heavily about your range as well- not just V.

Are you r/c 44s pre? How about 66s? What SD's do you have here?

We can get away with just calling almost everything otf I'm pretty sure, if we only have three combos of sets (TT) and no two pair.

Also, calling is not -EV here.

You need to take into account rake. You can't just start calling hands like JTs/QTs/KTs. Those hands play awful OOP in a 3 bet pot as they are almost always dominated and your flopped pair is almost always a bluff catcher.

Those hands are folds in theory and you can 4bet the KTs/KJs hands. Against a 6% range the right exploit is probably to just not have a calling range and strictly 4bet or fold. Or we can having a donking range but that is more complex.

You donk lead KQdd here because you have an equity advantage on T high boards.

My RAM is awful on this old laptop I have so I don't save my solutions (I write all of them down since it helps me remember them better + saves space).

The basic idea of donking is we have an equity advantage on this board and we want to put all his overcards that missed in a tough spot. If you ran it in a solver - it would donk lead for 25% sizing at a high frequency here.