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Bluff Catch? Bluff Catch?

09-18-2021 , 02:12 PM
Bovada / Ignition, Hold'em No Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 6 players

Seat 1 (UTG): $497.50 (498 bb)
Seat 2 (MP): $123.92 (124 bb)
Seat 3 (CO): $94.76 (95 bb)
Hero (BU): $102.00 (102 bb)
Seat 5 (SB): $144.68 (145 bb)
Seat 6 (BB): $100.40 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (Hero) is BTN with 7 7
2 players fold, Seat 3 (CO) raises to $3, Hero (BU) calls $3, 2 players fold

Flop: ($7.50) 5 2 Q (2 players)
Seat 3 (CO) checks, Hero (BU) checks

Turn: ($7.50) 5 (2 players)
Seat 3 (CO) bets $5.35, Hero (BU) calls $5.35

River: ($18.20) 9 (2 players)
Seat 3 (CO) bets $22.97, Hero (BU) ?
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09-18-2021 , 03:02 PM
alot of these hands feel like you're defending 100% of range in a bunch of spots without any (given) reads beyond non recommended betsizings from villains.
sim wants to bet small w 77 about half of the time otf, wants him to go bigger ott but has you nearly pure calling the turn, also doesnt want him to use this size otr but vs it you're folding 80-85ish % of the time.
im not really sure what to add beyond that analysis. for me personally i dont try to get into super complicated levelling wars very often with people. im uncertain that i can actually do it consistently and i find the mental / emotional cost is high, while it ends up detracting quite a bit from whatever study edge i might have. it also feels dismissive of opponents that we can guess their entire strategy while having no sample / reads on them. i know the hands you post are probably not entirely indicative of your overall game but it does seem to be the theme in them. none of this is meant as an attack or a criticism as you appear to be doing well / moving up so its working for you, i just dont know what to really contribute post wise.

Last edited by submersible; 09-18-2021 at 03:26 PM.
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09-18-2021 , 03:10 PM
Odd if he wanted to bluff you out of the pot that he'd start betting on the turn to do that. Kind of seems like a 5x, 99 type hand, or a good Queen that checked to be sneaky.
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09-18-2021 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by submersible
alot of these hands feel like you're defending 100% of range in a bunch of spots without any (given) reads beyond non recommended betsizings from villains.
sim wants to bet small w 77 about half of the time otf, wants him to go bigger ott but has you nearly pure calling the turn, also doesnt want him to use this size otr but vs it you're folding 80-85ish % of the time.
im not really sure what to add beyond that analysis. for me personally i dont try to get into super complicated levelling wars very often with people. im uncertain that i can actually do it consistently and i find the mental / emotional cost is high, while it ends up detracting quite a bit from whatever study edge i might have. it also feels dismissive of opponents that we can guess their entire strategy while having no sample / reads on them. i know the hands you post are probably not entirely indicative of your overall game but it does seem to be the theme in them. none of this is meant as an attack or a criticism as you appear to be doing well / moving up so its working for you, i just dont know what to really contribute post wise.
Are you referring to the JJ hand? I talked to a bunch of people better than me about that one and it really is just a snap call. I'm not used to people playing back at me and that is something that seems to be happening a decent amount at 100nl.

I've played probably around 700k hands at 10nl-50nl and most regs don't play back much so I was thrown for a loop when guys just start XR bluffing all in OTR.

As far as what a solver does - it's definitely good to know that but I'm trying to get more exploitative in my approach.

That's why I think this river isn't a 0 EV spot or a leveling war. He's either going to be very value heavy or very bluff heavy.
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09-18-2021 , 04:32 PM
You can fold you can call its pure bluff catcher, hard to say without any reads. In general riv OB are not bluff enough.
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09-18-2021 , 04:48 PM
I would stab vs. the check on the flop very frequently. Lots of people over c-bet oop in this node to begin with and your hand can get a combination of value + protection even if he isn't c-betting too often.

As played you have a pure bluff catcher with no relevant blockers and are at the bottom of your range. I'd want a good reason to call and would just default to folding this combo. Plenty of 5x hands can make sense here from his POV.
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09-18-2021 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
You can fold you can call its pure bluff catcher, hard to say without any reads. In general riv OB are not bluff enough.
Yeah I should of put in the OP - anonymous tables and no hud.
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09-19-2021 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Yeah I should of put in the OP - anonymous tables and no hud.
Can you filter for riv OB and see how much pool is bluffing in thet spot?
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09-20-2021 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0
Odd if he wanted to bluff you out of the pot that he'd start betting on the turn to do that. Kind of seems like a 5x, 99 type hand, or a good Queen that checked to be sneaky.
I feel this is what Villian perceives op to have and he's blowing him off the hand or he's got AA or KK and wants a call.
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09-21-2021 , 04:11 AM
I feel like Ahi blocking A5s makes for a better call here
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09-21-2021 , 04:48 AM
It's super easy to overbluff this spot, he can rep 5 with really any non SD, no EQ hand. Yestarday i "catch" myself doing this. I still think that as btn i have more condensed range than CO in OP hand, so it's not really the same, but paired board vs relatively wide range is really tempting.
As for actual hand, i dont think calling is bad, he can do this with wheel aces that delayed flop, so 44 and 33 would be worse than 77


PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $96.19 (192 bb)
CO: $99.84 (200 bb)
BU (Hero): $52.28 (105 bb)
SB: $64.81 (130 bb)
BB: $25.34 (51 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J T
1 fold, CO raises to $1.21, Hero calls $1.21, 1 fold, BB calls $0.71

Flop: ($3.88) 3 2 5 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.88) Q (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.88) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5.54, 2 players fold

Total pot: $3.88 (Rake: $0.19)
BU (Hero) wins $3.69

Last edited by Ramius; 09-21-2021 at 04:59 AM. Reason: added lst line
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09-21-2021 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
It's super easy to overbluff this spot, he can rep 5 with really any non SD, no EQ hand.
Villain can rep a lot more than 5x though. Villain might be (or at least should ne) checking some strong hands otf. Makes sense to bet them quite big when T + R don't change a whole lot.
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09-21-2021 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
I feel like Ahi blocking A5s makes for a better call here
I think you are right - also blocking AA.
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09-21-2021 , 12:03 PM
Results for the pop reports.

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09-21-2021 , 12:37 PM
Is CO even supposed to check hand like kk-aa or aq like ever? I can imagine checking kq or worse Q, or QQQ. Are low stakes players really 150% pot overbet tp gk on pairing card hitting villain range? If he had kt then he can have any weaker than A hi hand, guess it's a anon tables feature, nobody can give a **** about tendencies, just assume any easy to overbluff spot to be overbluffed
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09-21-2021 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
Is CO even supposed to check hand like kk-aa or aq like ever? I can imagine checking kq or worse Q, or QQQ. Are low stakes players really 150% pot overbet tp gk on pairing card hitting villain range? If he had kt then he can have any weaker than A hi hand, guess it's a anon tables feature, nobody can give a **** about tendencies, just assume any easy to overbluff spot to be overbluffed
CO is checking ~80% otf so yes, mostly checking all strong hands also and betting polar
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