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10-28-2019 , 03:54 PM
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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
BTN ($11.14) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 41.4% | 3-Bet: 10.1% | Hands: 316]
HERO ($11.62) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 22.5% | AGG: 32.4% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | Hands: 122031]
BB ($23.30) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 20.5% | AGG: 30% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 306]
UTG ($11.95) [VPIP: 16% | PFR: 11.5% | AGG: 41.8% | 3-Bet: 2.7% | Hands: 299]
HJ ($10.68) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 16.4% | AGG: 30.1% | 3-Bet: 6.9% | Hands: 2744]
CO ($10.00) [VPIP: 23% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 21% | 3-Bet: 8% | Hands: 1010]

Dealt to Hero: K 9

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, BB Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [18.87 effective]
Flop ($0.60): K 2 4
HERO Checks, BB Bets $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 22.85), HERO Calls $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 11.17)

Turn ($0.90): K 2 4 5
HERO Checks, BB Bets $0.22 (Rem. Stack: 22.63), HERO Calls $0.22 (Rem. Stack: 10.95)

River ($1.34): K 2 4 5 6
HERO Checks, BB Bets $1.28 (Rem. Stack: 21.35), HERO Raises To $10.95 (allin)
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10-28-2019 , 04:33 PM
Im not sure about our blockers. We block 2p combos but there shouldn't be that many unless this guy never 3bets the weaker kxs bvb.

That said, I don't get the line by villain. Small, small, big and we're supposed to believe it's a flush? I guess he has k3? You expect a reg to size up the turn or check back his sdv hands. He can't have khxh, we block k3 but I think we can just call.

Edit: why not range bet flop?
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10-28-2019 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
Im not sure about our blockers. We block 2p combos but there shouldn't be that many unless this guy never 3bets the weaker kxs bvb.

That said, I don't get the line by villain. Small, small, big and we're supposed to believe it's a flush? I guess he has k3? You expect a reg to size up the turn or check back his sdv hands. He can't have khxh, we block k3 but I think we can just call.

Edit: why not range bet flop?
Is villain even supposed to value bet all 2 pair on this river? I'm not sure.

Villain has more 3x than us, he also has more 87 than us. But we actually have way more flushes than him since he will 3bet a lot of his suited hands preflop. So on this run out he has way more straights but we have more super strong hands.

I also treat these awful 25% PSB's as effective checks since they really don't accomplish much. It can be hard to range people when they do weird stuff.

As for as not range betting the flop. I don't think this is a range cbet spot, although I could be wrong. I'll have to dig more deeply into this hand later.
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10-28-2019 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Is villain even supposed to value bet all 2 pair on this river? I'm not sure.

Villain has more 3x than us, he also has more 87 than us. But we actually have way more flushes than him since he will 3bet a lot of his suited hands preflop. So on this run out he has way more straights but we have more super strong hands.

I also treat these awful 25% PSB's as effective checks since they really don't accomplish much. It can be hard to range people when they do weird stuff.

As for as not range betting the flop. I don't think this is a range cbet spot, although I could be wrong. I'll have to dig more deeply into this hand later.
I have a hard time giving him much 3x and 78 given turn bet size. Doesn't his 3x either check back or bet larger? It's possible I'm reading too much into bet sizes. My gut says we will see air here a bunch with V just attacking what he perceives to be a very capped range containing a lot of weak pairs. I don't think we have very many flushes because we either mostly bet them or raise as the OOP player on the turn. We have Khxh and maybe some 2hxh hands.

I wonder if we are turning this hand into a bluff what's our calling range look like?
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10-28-2019 , 05:42 PM
Okay I just finished running a flop solve and it kind of confirmed what I thought initially. This flop is only bet around 20% of the time with 3/4 sizing.

I notice this in BvB situations a lot. We have these polarizing boards like A-low-low or K-low-low and you'd think they would be bet very often but it is actually the opposite. Since ranges are so wide - it doesn't matter that we have stronger Kx than our opponents because that is only a very small portion of our range (like 30-40 combos out of a possible 650 combos).

I think I'd call with all my KxX instead of bluffing those combos - and then use the KX no heart combos as the bluffs. Not sure if that is how a solver would do it though.

You could be right about the bet sizing just being weakness. I just treat them as checks but is it possible they are even weaker than checks?

Okay I guess the Solver prefers K7x instead of this combo, so we block some straights as well. And then it calls with K8x but folds this one. Interesting.

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 10-28-2019 at 05:50 PM.
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10-28-2019 , 05:44 PM
I forget you use that big flop size.
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10-28-2019 , 05:47 PM
What range do you give the BB defender?
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10-28-2019 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
What range do you give the BB defender?
I use monker ranges. It is around 50% of all hands for BB range (660 combos) (a ton of mixed frequency stuff).

BB should be 3betting around 21% at equilibrium.
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10-28-2019 , 09:21 PM
i would just x/c the river, if were out kicked on the king pair i would expect v to be sizing larger on the flop or the turn.
I dont think the x/r accomplishes much besides getting worse to fold and better to call, and i do like our line up to the riv its nice to have some top pair in our x/c range but now this is one of our better calling hands so i dont like turning it into a bluff.

if we want to find some bluffs in our range maybe A5hx if youre playing that this way or something like 77 or 88 i just think K9 is good too often here
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10-28-2019 , 09:43 PM
Range bets are for tighter pfr ranges.
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10-28-2019 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
i would just x/c the river, if were out kicked on the king pair i would expect v to be sizing larger on the flop or the turn.
I dont think the x/r accomplishes much besides getting worse to fold and better to call, and i do like our line up to the riv its nice to have some top pair in our x/c range but now this is one of our better calling hands so i dont like turning it into a bluff.

if we want to find some bluffs in our range maybe A5hx if youre playing that this way or something like 77 or 88 i just think K9 is good too often here
I agree, and I like 77 and 88 as bluffs here.
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