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06-02-2008 , 09:04 PM
This seems to happen to me a lot in 10NL and I don't really have a good line:

You get AKo in the small blind and have 4 or 5 limpers to you.
My usual line is to raise 4BB + 1BB per limper + 1BB for OOP or about $1. Problem is that I'm sure to get at least 1 caller, perhaps even 2. If I hit, that's great because the pot is large enough to commit a full stack but if I miss (which happens 2/3 times), I'm stuck with a big pot OOP against a loose opponent or 2 so my my C-Bet will be substantial and has a good chance of being called and then what? Do I give up?

So if I miss, I risk loosing at least 20% of my stack with a hand I expect to be one of the more profitable hands in Holdem.

So, what am I doing wrong? Other options could be:
  1. Limping - This is almost like giving up on the hand. Even if I make TPTK, I'm probably behind so I'm looking to flop at least 2 pairs against 5 players.
  2. Standard raise - I'll probably just get called by 3-4 players anyway and I'm back to square 1.
  3. Over betting - I'm starting to think this is the best choice. Overbet the pot about $2 and if someone goes over the top, I push?
06-02-2008 , 09:09 PM
Your current style of play preflop is fine...you just need to adapt postflop. FWIW i do limp a lot of strong highcard hands if there are a lot of limpers but AK should def be raised.

Honestly cbetting every time and getting it in when you hit TPTK is probably profitable at 10NL but here is some stuff that might help postflop.

If you have an HUD, set it up to see fold to cbet %. The fish who never fold to cbets...simply stop cbetting them when you miss, they will pay you so often when you hit that you will still profit. If they are a fish who does fold to cbets a fair amount cbet it and then shutdown if you miss. At 10NL you just have to focus on the 3 Vs (value, value, value).
06-02-2008 , 09:32 PM
Your pf raise is fine.
When you miss the flop be very careful about which flops you c-bet. If you get two callers and you miss the flop, the flop texture has to be just right for c-betting and i would rarely c-bet at this level into two opponents on a missed flop. Against one oponent c-bet 3/4 pot a good deal of the time, again check some bad flops.
06-02-2008 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blocka
Your pf raise is fine.
When you miss the flop be very careful about which flops you c-bet. If you get two callers and you miss the flop, the flop texture has to be just right for c-betting and i would rarely c-bet at this level into two opponents on a missed flop. Against one oponent c-bet 3/4 pot a good deal of the time, again check some bad flops.
Flop Texture is one of these terms that I hear about a lot and always, it's very vague. What is considered good flop texture for C-Betting and what is a bad one?
06-02-2008 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alon.albert
Flop Texture is one of these terms that I hear about a lot and always, it's very vague. What is considered good flop texture for C-Betting and what is a bad one?
Stealing from ajmargarine's post from this within the archives.

Quote:
Never CB with 3+ villians.
Pretty much always CB vs. 1 villian.

2 villians is where it gets tricky. Having a pp helps. You have TT, board is K74, fire away. You have outs to a flush or straight, fire away. You have 2 overs to the board, fire away.

Places to not CB: Board is straight coordinated (456, 78T). 2-flush on the board should give you pause. Calling stations should give you pause. OOP with 2 villians behind you should give you pause. If current table image is bad, that should give you pause.
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...n=&page=0&vc=1

That's a start anyway
06-03-2008 , 10:25 PM
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