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04-22-2011 , 08:21 PM

goranbaxy

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Villian is 17/15, classic TAG reg player
So, question is do I bet river for value, if so how much and what do you expect to get called by?

Entraction - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: €27.20
BTN: €20.20 HERO
SB: €39.26
BB: €4.00
UTG: €20.00
MP: €18.05

HERO Q

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

fold, fold, CO raises to €0.60, BTN calls €0.60, SB calls €0.50, fold

Flop: (€2.00, 3 players) 6

SB checks, CO checks, BTN bets €1.50, SB calls €1.50, fold

Turn: (€5.00, 2 players) 6

SB checks, BTN bets €3.75, SB calls €3.75

River: (€12.50, 2 players) K

SB checks, HERO?

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04-22-2011 , 08:25 PM

Doboyfusion

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QQ on the button vs a CO raise and you didn't 3bet? that's my first question.

Second is give us a better read on this player because a "TAG regular player" will never play a hand like this.

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04-22-2011 , 08:32 PM

Ligic

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bet/fold ldo
3bet pre

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04-22-2011 , 08:33 PM

goranbaxy

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well, CO had 86% of fold to 3bet, so no point of raising and BB is SS, so he could potencionaly shove, so I like just calling.

SB flop stats:
c/r: 11, donk 22, float: 55, raise: 16
What else do you need, I don't have any note on him so fare...

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04-23-2011 , 12:24 AM

derrickkwa

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Definitely 3-bet pre. If BB shoves his SS, just shove over.

As played, on river, I agree with the bet/fold. I'd probably do about 7. I think you get called down by pretty much any flush. Maybe some 6x hands.

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04-23-2011 , 04:55 AM

goranbaxy

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Originally Posted by derrickkwa

Definitely 3-bet pre.

Can you explain why to 3bet pre this guy?

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04-23-2011 , 05:58 AM

Ligic

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bc you look fos

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04-23-2011 , 07:20 AM

X!!!

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Originally Posted by Ligic

bc you look fos

no

this is fine

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04-23-2011 , 07:44 AM

Ligic

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btn 3bet vs co does look fos, you cant deny that. flatting is only better if there are huge fisher or sqzers in the blinds, which op didnt mention. or if villain can 3barrell bluffs and/or vbet thin so we can calldown. 3bet pre ainec, if you are not 3betting this then what are you?

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04-23-2011 , 08:32 AM

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goranbaxy

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Originally Posted by Ligic

3bet pre ainec, if you are not 3betting this then what are you?

Vs. this type off opponent, AA, KK, and all of my bottom calling range, hands like A9s, K9s, 57s...

What would you do when guy that folds >80% to 3bet 4bets you?

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04-23-2011 , 08:38 AM

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X!!!

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Originally Posted by Ligic

it doesn't look fos with a 20bb fish behind

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04-23-2011 , 08:42 AM

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goranbaxy

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what does it exactly mean FOS?

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04-23-2011 , 09:13 AM

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Ligic

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Originally Posted by goranbaxy

Vs. this type off opponent, AA, KK, and all of my bottom calling range, hands like A9s, K9s, 57s...

What would you do when guy that folds >80% to 3bet 4bets you?

if he folds to 80% of 3bets its ok to flat QQ, unless he just folds a ton in ep and never folds in co/btn

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Originally Posted by X!!!

it doesn't look fos with a 20bb fish behind

oh snap i didnt notice that guy.

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Originally Posted by goranbaxy

what does it exactly mean FOS?

full of shiat = bluffing

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04-23-2011 , 11:25 AM

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ExpectedV

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3b pre and bf river

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04-23-2011 , 12:17 PM

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derrickkwa

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My thoughts on 3-betting.

Firstly, "BB is SS, so he could potencionaly shove". I don't actually think that's a bad thing. I'd *want* him to shove over. A (fishy) SS shoving range there is wide enough for you to have him crushed, I think.

2ndly, about the TAG reg. Being in position, I'd look to build the pot, thus the 3-bet. Also, considering it's BTN vs CO, I think you do get value from 99+, maybe even AT/AJ sort of hands. Depending on his 4-bet % (and your 3-bet %) so far, you may induce him to 4-bet light.

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04-23-2011 , 12:28 PM

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goranbaxy

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Sure I WANT SS to shove, question is what if CO 4bet? I don't think he is ever going to call with worse as he fold so much, I think there is now way he is calling with AT or AJ

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04-23-2011 , 01:15 PM

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X!!!

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Originally Posted by goranbaxy

Sure I WANT SS to shove, question is what if CO 4bet? I don't think he is ever going to call with worse as he fold so much, I think there is now way he is calling with AT or AJ

if you 3bet you stack off (but don't)

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04-23-2011 , 09:49 PM

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bet like 1/4-1/3 pot and fold to a raise. villain isn't likely to have many hands that can call here but also likely plays a better hand differenly. and i agree with 3bet pre unless u think ss will squeeze light

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