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03-30-2012 , 11:45 AM

Getin111

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 468

I know if your winning your winning but I was just wondering for example at 10nl what would be considered crushing the level when looking at your bb/100(big blinds)

03-30-2012 , 12:18 PM

JStoz

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 527

15. Rakes huge, takes big chunks from winrate.

03-30-2012 , 01:12 PM

RaiseDaAce

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JStoz

15. Rakes huge, takes big chunks from winrate.

as said, rake is insane! I pay 5 Big Blinds for every 100 hands I play....I would consider crushing anything over 3PTBB/100 hands. (15 jisses havent seen this over a big sample size)

Last edited by RaiseDaAce; 03-30-2012 at 01:13 PM. Reason: forgot to mention: 3PTBB/100 when you multitable! I think you can definitely make more when you play less tables

03-30-2012 , 01:19 PM

VIVEK15

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,520

I play 8-15NL and have ~11k hands and im running 45bb/100 so yeah im crushing the stake really hard..

Been running like a god i guess so i think after like 50k hands ill be running like 20bb/100.

But crushing the stake is >8bb/100 i guess..

03-30-2012 , 01:30 PM

z0mgtiltz

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Lol anything less than 100k hands isn't even worthy measuring your winrate with

03-30-2012 , 01:32 PM

goranbaxy

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,362

3PTBB/100 hands at nl10 is not crushing

03-30-2012 , 01:36 PM

iPlayAAonly

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 407

i'm running at 4.05bb/100 over a 80-85k hand sample, i'm not crushing it but some regs don't like me :P

03-30-2012 , 01:43 PM

RaiseDaAce

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goranbaxy

3PTBB/100 hands at nl10 is not crushing

playing 10 tables or so. I think it s crushing. look what the all time biggest winners make on avg according to poker table ratings

03-30-2012 , 01:48 PM

VIVEK15

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,520

Quote:

Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

Lol anything less than 100k hands isn't even worthy measuring your winrate with

I would say after 50k hands ur bb/100 is pretty acurate and after 10k hands u can see where ur going.

03-30-2012 , 01:50 PM

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z0mgtiltz

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Not really. 10k upswings/downswings are very common. 100k+ hand swings have also been known to happen.

03-30-2012 , 03:41 PM

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YOZAN

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 255

If you play 4tables and u have a winrate of 5-6 BB over ~ 100K-150K I think you did it at NL10,NL20,depends on what kind of games you play ,against fishes / agains regs.The field is very important.
For example if you play on a poker platform with very good deals of RB,your winrate wont be so great because games are harder to beat,you will play against many regs.

03-30-2012 , 03:43 PM

#12

JStoz

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I agree that anything over 8-10bb/100 could be considered crushing. 15 was just a (quite high, but probably attainable) number I pulled out my ass.

03-30-2012 , 03:44 PM

#13

YOZAN

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 255

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVEK15

I play 8-15NL and have ~11k hands and im running 45bb/100

This is a GOOD or a "GOD" RUN....isn't the real WINRATE..
I hope your upswing won't end to soon.Enjoy it!!!

03-30-2012 , 03:45 PM

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Greg1075

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03-30-2012 , 03:45 PM

#15

Greg1075

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVEK15

I play 8-15NL and have ~11k hands and im running 45bb/100 so yeah im crushing the stake really hard..

Been running like a god i guess so i think after like 50k hands ill be running like 20bb/100.

Somebody is in for a rude awakening.

03-30-2012 , 03:51 PM

#16

mdroz247

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,472

I would say anything over 10 and 100K hands is pretty good. It is a pretty relative idea though, I could table select one table with 5 fish and have a 30bb/100 win rate. Obviously the more tables you play the more it goes down (duh). But I think 6 tabling for 8-10bbs is reasonable, again with proper table selection.

03-30-2012 , 03:58 PM

#17

Alexander Young

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,115

4-5PTBB/100 (8-10bb/100) isn't a ridiculous figure.

03-30-2012 , 04:30 PM

#18

davep1234

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 222

^^ what he said.. but 100K hands can have some huge deviations in it from your winrate. You could be better or worse then you think..

ah and 10k doesnt mean anything. my last 10k hands i BE.. first 5k was huge loss then up to BE...

last 50K is 11bb/100 and last 100k is like 6.5bb/100,, so stuff changes alot ..

hey if your winning 2-3PTB/100 then be happy

03-30-2012 , 05:02 PM

#19

Greg1075

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50K hands is OK. 100K is better. To give you an idea only around 2.5% of 6 max players make over 4bb/100 so 1-4 bb/100 is good. 1.5% make over 5bb/100 so anything above that is very good. That said about 85% of online players are losers so be happy with anything above 0. WTF cares what the "crushing" threshold is? If you're beaing the game for over 5bbs - and obv the more the better - over a good sample size and you feel ready, then move up - or not. Not everyone wants to.

03-30-2012 , 05:12 PM

#20

Queen6Suited

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,876

wait guys i'm confused? I always though 6bb/100 was pretty much crushing for 6max. I thought >12bb/100 was pretty much impossible online?

03-30-2012 , 05:16 PM

#21

carnivalhobo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVEK15

I would say after 50k hands ur bb/100 is pretty acurate and after 10k hands u can see where ur going.

then you have almost no understanding of basic math or how completely sick and frustrating this game is.

The larger your winrate (and lower your SD is) the more quickly you can say with a high confidence that you are beating a level. Getting a true winrate is going to take millions of hands to get it accurate to any real level of exactitude.

Clearly a winrate at 10NL is meaningless, win some, move up with you can and beat a level where the rake doesnt rape you and you can make money faster than flipping burgers at McD.

03-30-2012 , 05:27 PM

#22

Greg1075

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Examples of some of the best online winrates at various stakes from 2010. Put things in perspective.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...best-winrates/

03-30-2012 , 06:21 PM

#23

VIVEK15

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,520

I understand that 10k hands is very low but still imo u can see that u probably beat the stakes pretty hard when u run 45bb/100 i mean cmon..

I think i can maintain 20bb/100 if i were to keep playing 8NL, the players there are just so extremely bad and easy to crush anyway..

03-30-2012 , 06:48 PM

#24

Queen6Suited

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Vivek15, I will bet you an amount of money of you're choice you can't maintain 20bb/100 over 100k hands of 8NL,

03-30-2012 , 06:51 PM

#25

Greg1075

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVEK15

I think i can maintain 20bb/100 if i were to keep playing 8NL

No, you can't. No, you won't.

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