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02-21-2014 , 04:41 PM
V is 7/0 over 35 hands no special read...what is he raising here? Probable would have raised a FD on flop instead of turn. 6-7 seems a probable hand that hit him. Maybe a 9? TT orJJ if he is too nit to 3 bet pre and to repop on flop...I'm kind of lost in this spot

I'm oop so calling to reevaluate seems bad since he is firing probably anything on a check river and there is so much card I don't like to see otr. Is this a fold?


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $8.08 (161.6 bb)
    Hero (SB): $5.02 (100.4 bb)
    BB: $6.02 (120.4 bb)
    UTG+1: $4.13 (82.6 bb)
    UTG+2: $5.32 (106.4 bb)
    MP1: $4.06 (81.2 bb)
    MP2: $7.27 (145.4 bb)
    MP3: $9.34 (186.8 bb)
    CO: $11.89 (237.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    7 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.30) 5 9 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.70) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.54, BB raises to $1.08, [color="grey"]

    Hero ??????color]

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    02-21-2014 , 04:45 PM
    This is one of those hands where it is best to call and re-evaluate on the turn, and then donk the river. If he raises then you know you're beat.
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    02-21-2014 , 04:46 PM
    76s looks pretty likely here.
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    02-21-2014 , 05:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly
    This is one of those hands where it is best to call and re-evaluate on the turn, and then donk the river. If he raises then you know you're beat.

    Call what
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    02-21-2014 , 05:14 PM
    Flop and turn are fine, fold to his turn raise.
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    02-21-2014 , 05:26 PM
    Pretty easy laydown OTT, its not like he will have a higher overpair here.
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    02-21-2014 , 09:04 PM
    I actually folded here, just wanted to know if it was a bad laydown,,,, doofus, how much would you donk here?
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    02-21-2014 , 09:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gosmaster
    I actually folded here, just wanted to know if it was a bad laydown,,,, doofus, how much would you donk here?
    About half pot.
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    02-21-2014 , 09:41 PM
    You've got to remember that it's blind v blind, heads-up poker in it's purest form. You could even check/call the river, but I like going for a little bit of extra value to help our winrate.

    Things like this can happen when regs face-off during aggro moments:

    PokerStars - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

    MP: $50.50
    MP+1: $27.46
    LP: $50.75
    CO: $52.94
    BTN: $11.30
    Doofus (SB): $50.00
    BB: $54.66
    UTG: $57.57
    UTG+1: $25.08

    Doofus posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

    Pre Flop: ($0.75) Doofus has 9 T

    fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Doofus raises to $1.50, BB calls $1.00

    Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) 8 6 7
    Doofus bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00

    Turn: ($7.00, 2 players) T
    Doofus bets $5.00, BB raises to $13.00, Doofus calls $8.00

    River: ($33.00, 2 players) Q
    Doofus checks, BB bets $38.16 and is all-in, Doofus calls $33.50 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    BB shows K J (High Card, King) (Pre 66%, Flop 5%, Turn 25%)
    Doofus shows 9 T (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 34%, Flop 95%, Turn 75%)
    Doofus wins $97.50


    Or even this one:

    PokerStars - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

    BB: $60.86
    UTG: $51.43
    UTG+1: $88.01
    MP: $19.25
    MP+1: $56.06
    CO: $24.16
    BTN: $21.67
    Doofus (SB): $50.00

    Doofus posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

    Pre Flop: ($0.75) Doofus has K A

    fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Doofus raises to $1.50, BB calls $1.00

    Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) 3 2 K
    Doofus bets $2.00, BB raises to $6.00, Doofus raises to $13.50, fold

    Spoiler:
    Doofus wins $14.32


    I guess it depends on dynamics that you have with certain regs that you play with a lot, so it's not always clear cut.
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    02-22-2014 , 06:15 AM
    Dont believe the 2+2 hype about people raising FD`s on boards like this. Its just not happening at any great frequency.
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    02-22-2014 , 08:42 AM
    I doubt he has 67 since he is 7/0...

    Villain has a set.. nice fold
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    02-22-2014 , 08:54 AM
    Over 35 hands.......
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    02-22-2014 , 08:56 AM
    Doofus, going by villian's stats, I don't think he makes those kinda of plays postflop that you showed in your two examples. Given how pocket pair heavy his range is I don't see many flush or str8 combos for him to reriase with.
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    02-22-2014 , 09:33 AM
    Doofus is Pokie giving nonsense advice like he usually likes to, OP chooses what advice he wants.


    The line villain takes with the turn minraise is "never" a semibluff, esp with his betsize.
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    02-22-2014 , 11:17 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dovidiu
    Doofus is Pokie giving nonsense advice like he usually likes to, OP chooses what advice he wants.


    The line villain takes with the turn minraise is "never" a semibluff, esp with his betsize.
    This is incorrect.

    SB vs BB in a heads-up pot plays differently to a UTG vs MP1 heads-up pot.

    Anyone thinking that there is no history there, well this could be the 'start' of the history, no?
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    02-22-2014 , 01:07 PM
    i did not say it plays the same and obv you won't see 67 in utg vs mp, but you might in bvb, along with all the sets which makes this even more of a fold.

    believe what you want to, Pokie.
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    02-22-2014 , 01:10 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaypatel33
    Doofus, going by villian's stats, I don't think he makes those kinda of plays postflop that you showed in your two examples. Given how pocket pair heavy his range is I don't see many flush or str8 combos for him to reriase with.
    Its blind v blind his range is likely a lot wider than PP`s. Against most regs and how wide they open the SB you could almost expect to do better than folding with about a 50% range in this spot.
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    02-22-2014 , 02:29 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dovidiu
    i did not say it plays the same and obv you won't see 67 in utg vs mp, but you might in bvb, along with all the sets which makes this even more of a fold.

    believe what you want to, Pokie.
    There is also way more air that needs to get you to fold when it's blind vs blind.

    Folding pairs to a raise when it's blind vs blind, is pretty bad in my opinion. Maybe I'm just spewy when I play but I consider the dynamics of SB vs BB to be vastly different to most other full-ring spots you get into.
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    02-22-2014 , 02:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartL
    Its blind v blind his range is likely a lot wider than PP`s. Against most regs and how wide they open the SB you could almost expect to do better than folding with about a 50% range in this spot.
    This.

    Wow, my troll-free posts keep agreeing with MartL.
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    02-22-2014 , 03:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartL
    Its blind v blind his range is likely a lot wider than PP`s. Against most regs and how wide they open the SB you could almost expect to do better than folding with about a 50% range in this spot.
    True, his range ought to be wider. I know sample is too small to consider him a genuine nit, so maybe my argument may not be valid, but set mining nits aren't that positionally aware.
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    02-22-2014 , 06:58 PM
    Your first argument was to call, now you agree with folding in your "troll-free" posts.

    The fact it`s bvb makes his value raising wider than mp vs utg where you will not see 67.

    gj for arguing back and forth for the sake of it.
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    02-22-2014 , 08:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dovidiu
    Your first argument was to call, now you agree with folding in your "troll-free" posts.

    The fact it`s bvb makes his value raising wider than mp vs utg where you will not see 67.

    gj for arguing back and forth for the sake of it.
    From MartL's post, (that I agree with), he is saying that half of your SB range does better if you don't fold it here. I would think QQ is likely to be in that range Dovi.
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    02-22-2014 , 08:14 PM
    Im now worried that pokie has agreed with me and wonder if Im just running good and need to change my strategy.
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    02-22-2014 , 08:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MartL
    Im now worried that pokie has agreed with me and wonder if Im just running good and need to change my strategy.
    I think I'm the one that's running good as I normally disagree with everything you say since you're a much stronger player than I.
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    02-22-2014 , 08:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly
    I think I'm the one that's running good as I normally disagree with everything you say since you're a much stronger player than I.
    Now you have read part of that book im expecting big things from you.
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