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Bad river bet? Bad river bet?

08-29-2018 , 10:18 AM
€10.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em

Seat 1 is the button

Seat 1: Hero ( €10.37 EUR ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 2,3, Hands: 342252
Seat 2: Player2 ( €23.06 EUR ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 7, 3B: 6, AF: 2,3, Hands: 2076
Seat 4: Player4 ( €10.37 EUR ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 3,8, Hands: 632
Seat 5: Player5 ( €10.64 EUR ) - VPIP: 41, PFR: 21, 3B: 4, AF: 1,9, Hands: 663
Seat 6: Player6 ( €10.19 EUR ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 1,9, Hands: 3800

Player2 posts small blind [€0.05 EUR].
Player4 posts big blind [€0.10 EUR].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad Qs ]
Player5 folds
Player6 raises [€0.30 EUR]
Hero raises [€0.90 EUR]
Player2 folds
Player4 calls [€0.80 EUR]
Player6 calls [€0.60 EUR]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 5d, 9h ]
Player4 checks
Player6 checks
Hero checks

** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
Player4 checks
Player6 bets [€1.90 EUR]
Hero calls [€1.90 EUR]
Player4 folds

** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Player6 checks
Hero bets [€3.00 EUR]
Player6 raises [€7.39 EUR]
Hero calls [€4.39 EUR]

Player6 shows [9d, 9c ]
Hero shows [Ad, Qs ]
Player6 wins €20.26 EUR from main pot
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08-29-2018 , 11:27 AM
When you bet river, what hands do you think he calls with that you're beating? QK and QT? What hands that beat you is he throwing away? I'm not seeing any.

I think c/c on the river is better. Give him a chance to bluff at you with his missed draws. He'll still bet QK. You're only losing value against QT, and I think you more than make that up in bluffs

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08-29-2018 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dan.m.biondo
When you bet river, what hands do you think he calls with that you're beating? QK and QT? What hands that beat you is he throwing away? I'm not seeing any.

I think c/c on the river is better. Give him a chance to bluff at you with his missed draws. He'll still bet QK. You're only losing value against QT, and I think you more than make that up in bluffs

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Hero is IP, though using the HH converter would have made the post much easier to read. OP should use it.

Weird spot, can't work out what V is x/ring river with as we will likely have a bunch of x backs here. I do wonder if we even have a vbet OTR when it was 3 ways to the flop.
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08-29-2018 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rikk
Hero is IP, though using the HH converter would have made the post much easier to read. OP should use it.
Yup I def read that wrong.

I think I lean towards checking behind here

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08-29-2018 , 11:56 AM
Definitely check behind. Rest of the hand looks good.
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08-29-2018 , 12:51 PM
Not betting this river would be a huge mistake after villain check. All the draws miss so it shouldnt be hard for you to bluff this spot. Villain could easily have Jx hh or dd and KQ.
"But is my opponent calling with these week holdings?"
If you are capable of bluffing, this shouldnt be your problem.

If you're that scare of value betting yourself, profit of the size of the pot and bet 1.2 - 1.8 $ (which is still a lot of big blinds).

Fold to the raise, its never a bluff at these stakes since everyone is so nitty.
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08-29-2018 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by legroshans
Not betting this river would be a huge mistake after villain check. All the draws miss so it shouldnt be hard for you to bluff this spot. Villain could easily have Jx hh or dd and KQ.
"But is my opponent calling with these week holdings?"
If you are capable of bluffing, this shouldnt be your problem.

If you're that scare of value betting yourself, profit of the size of the pot and bet 1.2 - 1.8 $ (which is still a lot of big blinds).

Fold to the raise, its never a bluff at these stakes since everyone is so nitty.
Yes when I think of it an underbet for thin value is good here and fold to any raise.
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