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01-20-2008 , 07:54 PM

Unknown Soldier

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $591.00
Button: $1.057.30
US: $1.123.50
BB: $1.160.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) US is SB with Q

UTG raises to $20, Button calls, US calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8

($80, 4 players)
US checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: 3

($80, 4 players)
US bets $68, BB folds, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: 6

($216, 2 players)
US??

utg is a 22/17 std tag, havent seen much dont think hes anything special, not awful either. Other 2 guys are both like 50/15s

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01-20-2008 , 07:56 PM

Suwalski

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uhm, bet?

185$

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01-20-2008 , 08:05 PM

KingCosmoKramer

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akward??

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01-20-2008 , 08:06 PM

coldi

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CRAI looks pretty cool, smaller flushs will definetely bet, as well as some rivered str8s.

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01-20-2008 , 08:07 PM

Unknown Soldier

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crai will be a bluff and not a very good one

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01-20-2008 , 08:09 PM

coldi

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uhm, what?

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01-20-2008 , 08:10 PM

coldi

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Im very sure youll get payoff by weaker flushes or even weaker holdings.

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01-20-2008 , 08:10 PM

Unknown Soldier

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look at the board and my hand again closely, i beat AT MOST 4 combos of flushes and 3 straights which im pretty much not counting anyway (prob that he will check the flop and failing that, call the turn are too low).

what else does a reg check the flop with, then call the turn and call the river? (or bet since you are suggesting a crai)

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01-20-2008 , 08:11 PM

Nielsio

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I can't see him having a hand that can valuecall. But to balance with straight draws you should just bet.

You could also bet a really dumb amount like $50, in order to make it look like you're trying to get him to fold draws.

c/r doesn't make a lot of sense and doesn't seem to be getting called by worse.

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01-20-2008 , 08:11 PM

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WelshChip

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crai will be a bluff LMAOAMOAAAMOAMO

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01-20-2008 , 08:12 PM

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coldi

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Yeah, a flushdraw calls the turn, but a straightdraw doesnt?

Im also still very sure that your crai will get called by worse. If your so incredibly sure that it doesnt, what is the question?

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01-20-2008 , 08:14 PM

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Fletcher19

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i assume he had a bigger flush?

i think you are being far too results orientated here US (assuming he did have you beat)

I mean if you bet $145ish and he shoves then it becomes a bit more interesting, but still

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01-20-2008 , 08:15 PM

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Unknown Soldier

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what would you do fletch? and fwiw im not being results orientated i was really confused at the time

coldi, we're behind his calling range for sure of the crai

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01-20-2008 , 08:17 PM

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coldi

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

what would you do fletch? and fwiw im not being results orientated i was really confused at the time

coldi, we're behind his calling range for sure

Im not even sure about that, but if you are, fine. But why dont you go ahead and bet then? If the TAG shoves, it would be quite tough, but if one of the 50/15 droolers shoves, it still wouldnt be too tough, would it?

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01-20-2008 , 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nielsio

i dont understand the balancing with straight draws bit

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01-20-2008 , 08:21 PM

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Unknown Soldier

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read that hand again coldi

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01-20-2008 , 08:21 PM

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Fletcher19

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I bet $165 and talk myself into calling a shove as i have just under half of my effective stack already in the pot.

FWIW i agree with your logic, straights can be pretty much discounted etc. I can't find a fold for 100bb though

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01-20-2008 , 08:25 PM

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Nielsio

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

i dont understand the balancing with straight draws bit

Are you betting J9ss?

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01-20-2008 , 08:27 PM

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WelshChip

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i dont see him folding JT if we bet, there are a tonne of hands in between that and our hand and not many better than ours

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01-20-2008 , 08:28 PM

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he bets JT close to 100% on the flop, and he would be ******ed to call here

fwiw nielso, this is a ridic rare situation, balancing is the least of my concerns. I'd never bluff this river either

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01-20-2008 , 08:30 PM

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WelshChip

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KJdd A8dd and A5dd are about the only hands that beat us

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01-20-2008 , 08:32 PM

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WelshChip

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if he is ******ed to call JT, then you prob need to learn to bet more....

this seems like a very specific situation for you as you are a nit and dont bet much. if you can't safely vbet this on the river then wtf, this is like the easiest river bet or c/r ever, your hand should be huge here.

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01-20-2008 , 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshChip

omg no, look at the situation again. Put it this way: lol at bluffing into 2 ******s with 0 equity.

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01-20-2008 , 08:35 PM

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WelshChip

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check/fold then not hard but I would bet or c/r here all day

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01-20-2008 , 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshChip

KJdd A8dd and A5dd are about the only hands that beat us

A2dd A4dd AKdd AJdd

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