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ATs on 5510 flop facing a raise to our c-bet ATs on 5510 flop facing a raise to our c-bet

10-07-2009 , 02:38 AM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($24.75)
Hero (BB) ($29.51)
UTG ($44.96)
Button ($6.33)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 10
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 5, 10, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $1

River: ($5.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.60 | Rake: $0.28

I had ~a paragraph written and I realized I'm just WAY too confused here to have questions that even make sense... Thoughts all the way through appreciated:

My Thoughts:
Raise PF to $1 even though OOP
As played, flop and turn are ok bet size wise, but do we call river? (not sure if he shows up with a 5 or diamonds here often enough)

Last edited by Thisbetom; 10-07-2009 at 02:40 AM. Reason: typo
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10-07-2009 , 09:41 PM
any stats/reads on UTG?
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10-07-2009 , 09:55 PM
Any reason for not popping it up PF?

Aren't there enough aces in his range to call river? Unless you have a read that he just shuts down on 3flushed boards.

Btw, hi2u from austin
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10-08-2009 , 12:19 AM
raise pre
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10-08-2009 , 01:20 AM
re-raise the turn
most pot bets on river from donks are bluffs ??
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10-08-2009 , 01:58 AM
Definitely raise this preflop

On the turn I think this guy reps some 5x, some bare Ax, some Axdd, and possibly KQdd/QJdd that turned a gutter. The only made hand that beats us on the turn that min-raises is 5x, we are ahead of everything else and he could very well still be drawing, so I think shoving over his turn raise is probably best, especially when 5x is such a small part of his range.

As played I think I call river
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10-08-2009 , 02:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
Definitely raise this preflop

On the turn I think this guy reps some 5x, some bare Ax, some Axdd, and possibly KQdd/QJdd that turned a gutter. The only made hand that beats us on the turn that min-raises is 5x, we are ahead of everything else and he could very well still be drawing, so I think shoving over his turn raise is probably best, especially when 5x is such a small part of his range.

As played I think I call river
this is 25nl
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10-08-2009 , 02:14 AM
So what are you saying nihil?

Draws aren't raising turn? I think KQdd/QJdd sometimes show up but its only 2 combos and it doesn't really affect anything that much...
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10-08-2009 , 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
So what are you saying nihil?

Draws aren't raising turn? I think KQdd/QJdd sometimes show up but its only 2 combos and it doesn't really affect anything that much...
you are advocating making a 10x 3bet shove on turn
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10-08-2009 , 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
Draws aren't raising turn? I think KQdd/QJdd sometimes show up but its only 2 combos and it doesn't really affect anything that much...
I've never seen the check flop then min-raise turn on an unimproved draw move. At least it's not my first thought. AKo/AQo is my first thought, which we are crushing. And I agree that while fives show up sometimes, I agree that this is very little of his UTG limping range. But what continues after a reraise? 5x, AK, KT, Axdd, and KQdd? (if you think that's in his turn minraise range at all) Maybe Txss? Maybe a stray PP?

But come now, river has to be a call. He shows up with bare aces here too often to fold.
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