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AQ - TPTK - dry board - is there any need to raise this flop? AQ - TPTK - dry board - is there any need to raise this flop?

03-20-2008 , 01:19 PM
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $147
MP: $49.50
CO: $52.40
BTN: $50
Hero (SB): $62.10
BB: $66

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (SB)
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($7) 4 Q 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets $7, Hero calls $7

Call or raise? There are no draws to worry about, so raising is really just going to fold out hands I beat and encourage a call from hands that have me crushed, no?

If you call on the flop and the turn is basically another blank, do you call the turn again or raise it up?
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03-20-2008 , 01:24 PM
I would consider check/minraising here. To a normal uNL'er it probably looks like you are trying to see where you stand with your 99 and you might encourage him to get extra frisky with weaker hands. You probably should stack off here.
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03-20-2008 , 01:31 PM
Why would you want to play this hand fast though? IMO is a bit much to assume villain will see this as a probe. They might the odd time, but I think most nits are very worried of min-raises and most donks won't understand and just fold any under pair anyway.

The only logic I can see behind playing this fast, is if villain is a fish that will stack off with TPGK.

If you did call here, how would you handle a PSB on the turn and river?
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03-20-2008 , 01:32 PM
I think the call is fine. The trouble with how dry the flop is is that you're never calling with a draw. I think he checks the turn because of this with a call, so the two (call/raise) are probably pretty close.

If he nearly pots the turn, I think we can shove over. He may feel inclined to call with a KQ or QJ.

Edit: I forgot we were OOP. I think call/lead turn and c/r on the flop are really close since both are strong lines. If we don't lead turn, a good player checks behind, so I think a call/check gives him two cards to win. I would probably go with a C/R on the flop because I do that with sets and stuff and want to show up with 1 pair every now and again when I take a c/r line.
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03-20-2008 , 02:51 PM
Great analysis. Thanks.

edit: I should add that I generally would call this flop with a set. Raising such a dry flop would generally polarize our range between sets/air.. enough so that a good player is probably not calling with a marginal holding.

I would typically only play a set that fast on a scary flop.
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03-20-2008 , 02:55 PM
With hands like this I think you extract maximum value with a check/call, check/call, check/raise line. If he has AA/KK you just have to give the man his money. He is essentially drawing to 3 outs with AK, KQ, QJ. You want him to keep firing at it. If he hits an out or has you dominated then that's just tough! On such a dry board a check raise is either a big hand or nothing, more clearly weighted towards nothing, but does a donk know this?
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03-20-2008 , 02:56 PM
If we don't lead turn, a good player checks behind, so I think a call/check gives him two cards to win. <- I think he is betting a lot of queens here!
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