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AQ OOP c/r QJ8dd drawy flop & villain calls. Turn/River Bricks. Value Bet too big?

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08-13-2010 , 02:48 AM

Physhtank

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 141

My showdown graph is horrible while my nonshowdown graph is ridiculously high & I know its cuz I am not extracting value!

What would be the appropriate bet size that villian would call river? or possibly he was drawing on flop/turn, didnt get there & hence, no value to extract here?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $25.35
Hero (SB): $49.37
BB: $53.25
UTG: $25.00
MP: $25.70
CO: $40.67

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Turn: ($7.75) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.75) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, BTN folds

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08-13-2010 , 02:49 AM

fsn

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,286

what are you doing? raise flop, why? then check turn, why? you can't raise and then go into pot control mode OOP

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My showdown graph is horrible while my nonshowdown graph is ridiculously high & I know its cuz I am not extracting value!

and this is wrong. When you start extracting more value, which probably means vbetting thinner, it affects your red line because ppl will fold so often to those vbets. That is unless you reall are bad postflop and check down way too much strong hands etc but then you probably have some bigger leaks

e: also, your showdown graph is terrible probably because stacking off too light or calling down too light

Last edited by fsn; 08-13-2010 at 02:57 AM.

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08-13-2010 , 03:11 AM

Dumuzi

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,621

i 3bet pre

call flop. why are u raising? if u raise it means u think he can call with worse, so obv we should fire a blank turn.

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08-13-2010 , 03:14 AM

Physhtank

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 141

Raised flop becuz AK,AT,JT,KT,QT, & diamonds are all drawing here. Checked turn to see if villain will put more money in the pot while we are still ahead. What would be your preferred line of play here fsn?

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08-13-2010 , 03:16 AM

Physhtank

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 141

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Originally Posted by Dumuzi

i 3bet pre

call flop. why are u raising? if u raise it means u think he can call with worse, so obv we should fire a blank turn.

So you dont think this is a draw heavy flop that possibly hits villains range?

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08-13-2010 , 03:17 AM

fsn

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,286

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Originally Posted by Physhtank

c/c flop, c/c turn, c/re-evaluate river
bet river if he checks back turn

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08-13-2010 , 03:23 AM

Dumuzi

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,621

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Originally Posted by Physhtank

So you dont think this is a draw heavy flop that possibly hits villains range?

are u comfortable getting it in if he reraises?

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