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almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot.

09-10-2009 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cman24687
its really really close after looking at it again.

our line was to induce i guess by not betting the flop so maybe we got our wish and have to call now?
ya thats what i was trying to say w so many words : p
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gateswi
Is a 40/7 really running a 3-street bluff 200bb deep?
prolly not often but players like this do spazz for no apparent reason sometimes. its really close.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli
You should donk shove the river yourself about 100% of times.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gateswi
Gotta keep that aggression factor high.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mg0698
hmmm didn't mean for it to sound like that, was just joking, U probably know that most of the time fast bets mean weakness that is what i was implying.

I don't really hate ur flop check as much as others do.
this is true a lot LIVE .. sort of a casino tell that i use a lot online that doesnt always work out.. feels great when u call 50bb deep w A high and scoop.. and always feels great when u call w A high 50bb deep and ship a buyin to a set with air lol .
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mg0698
hmmm didn't mean for it to sound like that, was just joking, U probably know that most of the time fast bets mean weakness that is what i was implying.

I don't really hate ur flop check as much as others do.
no offense taken or anything, just kinda seemed like u had a read on my post : )
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:54 PM
Yes fold.

Beian J had it spot on.

After you fold plan your donk stacking party. Cuz this guy 200 bbs deep is what I live for.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasbabyvegas
c/r flop? it's unlikely he has a queen and it brings the implied odds way down for flush. I'd c/r the flop to like 25 and maybe shove turn against this donk. If he calls this bet on the flop and hits a flush on the turn, we still have outs with the Ah, plus 2 queens and 2 aces. If he pushes back after c/r then we might have to give him credit for a queen, but against a donk like this I might put it all in on the flop and if he flopped trips good for him.

thoughts on this line?
this is not a bad line at all i play it this way a lot i think.. but i think he folds a lot of hands you can get value from on this flop by just coldcalling. Then again he probably ships with lots of pocketpairs too and fd's so , i dont dislike this .

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Originally Posted by Brian J
This is one of those he does or he doesn't situations and I don't think any certain advice can be given. This is heavily villain dependent but generally speaking, checking and letting him bluff off his smaller PP's is best but I don't often see three pot sized streets of aggression without a Q as your hand should be apparent. I think it would take a strong read indeed to call the river.



Pre-flop passive, post flop aggressive. This is getting close to the read you would need to call. Observations on his play?

only reads i had were the stats and how fast he bet that i already told you guys.. i was playing like 10 or 11 tables at the time.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli
Gotta keep that aggression factor high.
Openshove 140bb as what? A bluff? A value bet?
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:00 PM
You guys also have to keep in mind that Hero's name is 8 high, so villan could be betting something like KsTc for value.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gateswi
Openshove 140bb as what? A bluff? A value bet?
Merging
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli
Merging
Range merging against a 40/7 with a massive river overshove?

oicwudt n1 sir
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli
You guys also have to keep in mind that Hero's name is 8 high, so villan could be betting something like KsTc for value.
good point. ye call definately now
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:11 PM
heres the result for any1 interested , thx for ur input

River: ($42.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $74.65 all in, Hero calls $69.55 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $181.85
Hero shows Ah Ad (two pair, Aces and Queens)
CO shows Ks Tc (a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $178.85
(Rake: $3.00)
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cman24687
good point. ye call definately now
Dont be condescending to me sir, I know that due to a bit of a bad run I have recently lost a bit of my 15k roll on nl10, but I'm more then willing to play my remaining 11,25 bucks HU4Rollz against you.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli
You guys also have to keep in mind that Hero's name is 8 high, so villan could be betting something like KsTc for value.
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Originally Posted by 8_high
heres the result for any1 interested , thx for ur input

River: ($42.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $74.65 all in, Hero calls $69.55 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $181.85
Hero shows Ah Ad (two pair, Aces and Queens)
CO shows Ks Tc (a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $178.85
(Rake: $3.00)
lol wtf?
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe
lol wtf?
I'm that good. Sick value shove by villan.

Last edited by xxxxx23; 09-10-2009 at 02:18 PM. Reason: Some sick 3rd and 4th level thinking going on in this hand...
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:31 PM
Against these fishes it is fine to just blockbet like $7. They never raise you with air and they will call with a lot worse hands.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 8_high
heres the result for any1 interested , thx for ur input

River: ($42.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $74.65 all in, Hero calls $69.55 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $181.85
Hero shows Ah Ad (two pair, Aces and Queens)
CO shows Ks Tc (a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $178.85
(Rake: $3.00)
Well it's obvious now!

But seriously there is a certain type of player that likes to spaz out with nothing for no apparent reason and that is a guy with loose passive pre and aggressive post stats. I have no idea if I could have called though. Who am I kidding, I am a station with AA.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:43 PM
I still think the check on the flop is worth some discussion. Was this guy firing that much where you wanted to give him enough rope to hang himself with?

I think the reason that this was such in interesting hand was because you didn't put yourself in an easy spot right from the get go.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:47 PM
collusion itt
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:52 PM
brunos my staker lol he obv knew the results already.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe
I still think the check on the flop is worth some discussion. Was this guy firing that much where you wanted to give him enough rope to hang himself with?

I think the reason that this was such in interesting hand was because you didn't put yourself in an easy spot right from the get go.
Check was a safe move to determine if the villain had quads are not.
almost 200bb deep 50NL AA paired flop turn hits flush, villain shoves river .. tough spot. Quote
09-10-2009 , 03:09 PM
im gonna start posting hands where i intentionally play every street horrible and then ask for advice on river


edit: im so pissed results were already posted so i cant realistically come in here and berate all the idiots saying to fold
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09-10-2009 , 03:11 PM
If the dude fires a lot against missed cbets just exploit him by checking, otherwise just cbet like you would with everything else... And you if you decide to check to exploit him, you have to keep in mind that he will have a lot of air combos on the river even with the flush getting there which makes it more of a call. Obv how often does he shove river and how polarized he is when he does is way more important to determine if river is a call or not, but once you decide to not cbet flop to exploit villans tendency of firing dryish flops with air, you gotta make that river more of a call. IMO.
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