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09-10-2009 , 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cman24687

its really really close after looking at it again.

our line was to induce i guess by not betting the flop so maybe we got our wish and have to call now?

ya thats what i was trying to say w so many words : p

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09-10-2009 , 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gateswi

Is a 40/7 really running a 3-street bluff 200bb deep?

prolly not often but players like this do spazz for no apparent reason sometimes. its really close.

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09-10-2009 , 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli

You should donk shove the river yourself about 100% of times.

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09-10-2009 , 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gateswi

Gotta keep that aggression factor high.

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09-10-2009 , 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mg0698

hmmm didn't mean for it to sound like that, was just joking, U probably know that most of the time fast bets mean weakness that is what i was implying.

I don't really hate ur flop check as much as others do.

this is true a lot LIVE .. sort of a casino tell that i use a lot online that doesnt always work out.. feels great when u call 50bb deep w A high and scoop.. and always feels great when u call w A high 50bb deep and ship a buyin to a set with air lol .

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09-10-2009 , 01:54 PM

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no offense taken or anything, just kinda seemed like u had a read on my post : )

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09-10-2009 , 01:54 PM

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Yes fold.

Beian J had it spot on.

After you fold plan your donk stacking party. Cuz this guy 200 bbs deep is what I live for.

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09-10-2009 , 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vegasbabyvegas

c/r flop? it's unlikely he has a queen and it brings the implied odds way down for flush. I'd c/r the flop to like 25 and maybe shove turn against this donk. If he calls this bet on the flop and hits a flush on the turn, we still have outs with the Ah, plus 2 queens and 2 aces. If he pushes back after c/r then we might have to give him credit for a queen, but against a donk like this I might put it all in on the flop and if he flopped trips good for him.

thoughts on this line?

this is not a bad line at all i play it this way a lot i think.. but i think he folds a lot of hands you can get value from on this flop by just coldcalling. Then again he probably ships with lots of pocketpairs too and fd's so , i dont dislike this .

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This is one of those he does or he doesn't situations and I don't think any certain advice can be given. This is heavily villain dependent but generally speaking, checking and letting him bluff off his smaller PP's is best but I don't often see three pot sized streets of aggression without a Q as your hand should be apparent. I think it would take a strong read indeed to call the river.

Pre-flop passive, post flop aggressive. This is getting close to the read you would need to call. Observations on his play?

only reads i had were the stats and how fast he bet that i already told you guys.. i was playing like 10 or 11 tables at the time.

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09-10-2009 , 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli

Gotta keep that aggression factor high.

Openshove 140bb as what? A bluff? A value bet?

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09-10-2009 , 02:00 PM

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You guys also have to keep in mind that Hero's name is 8 high, so villan could be betting something like KsTc for value.

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09-10-2009 , 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gateswi

Openshove 140bb as what? A bluff? A value bet?

Merging

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09-10-2009 , 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli

Merging

Range merging against a 40/7 with a massive river overshove?

oicwudt n1 sir

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09-10-2009 , 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli

You guys also have to keep in mind that Hero's name is 8 high, so villan could be betting something like KsTc for value.

good point. ye call definately now

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09-10-2009 , 02:11 PM

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heres the result for any1 interested , thx for ur input

River: ($42.75) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $74.65 all in, Hero calls $69.55 all in

Spoiler:

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09-10-2009 , 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cman24687

good point. ye call definately now

Dont be condescending to me sir, I know that due to a bit of a bad run I have recently lost a bit of my 15k roll on nl10, but I'm more then willing to play my remaining 11,25 bucks HU4Rollz against you.

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09-10-2009 , 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Cantarelli

You guys also have to keep in mind that Hero's name is 8 high, so villan could be betting something like KsTc for value.

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Originally Posted by 8_high

heres the result for any1 interested , thx for ur input

River: ($42.75) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $74.65 all in, Hero calls $69.55 all in

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lol wtf?

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09-10-2009 , 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCanoe

lol wtf?

I'm that good. Sick value shove by villan.

Last edited by xxxxx23; 09-10-2009 at 02:18 PM. Reason: Some sick 3rd and 4th level thinking going on in this hand...

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09-10-2009 , 02:31 PM

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Against these fishes it is fine to just blockbet like $7. They never raise you with air and they will call with a lot worse hands.

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09-10-2009 , 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 8_high

heres the result for any1 interested , thx for ur input

River: ($42.75) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $74.65 all in, Hero calls $69.55 all in

Spoiler:

Well it's obvious now!

But seriously there is a certain type of player that likes to spaz out with nothing for no apparent reason and that is a guy with loose passive pre and aggressive post stats. I have no idea if I could have called though. Who am I kidding, I am a station with AA.

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09-10-2009 , 02:43 PM

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I still think the check on the flop is worth some discussion. Was this guy firing that much where you wanted to give him enough rope to hang himself with?

I think the reason that this was such in interesting hand was because you didn't put yourself in an easy spot right from the get go.

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09-10-2009 , 02:47 PM

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collusion itt

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09-10-2009 , 02:52 PM

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brunos my staker lol he obv knew the results already.

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09-10-2009 , 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCanoe

Check was a safe move to determine if the villain had quads are not.

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09-10-2009 , 03:09 PM

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im gonna start posting hands where i intentionally play every street horrible and then ask for advice on river

edit: im so pissed results were already posted so i cant realistically come in here and berate all the idiots saying to fold

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09-10-2009 , 03:11 PM

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If the dude fires a lot against missed cbets just exploit him by checking, otherwise just cbet like you would with everything else... And you if you decide to check to exploit him, you have to keep in mind that he will have a lot of air combos on the river even with the flush getting there which makes it more of a call. Obv how often does he shove river and how polarized he is when he does is way more important to determine if river is a call or not, but once you decide to not cbet flop to exploit villans tendency of firing dryish flops with air, you gotta make that river more of a call. IMO.

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