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09-01-2009 , 09:23 PM

happyhour456

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 985

SB vpip37/pfr14/af1.5

any ideas to play the turn? be happy to get it in or take a deeper thought on it?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $25.00
Hero (UTG): $45.65
MP: $33.75
CO: $26.35
BTN: $34.45
SB: $40.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.00) 2

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, SB calls $2.25, BB folds

Turn: ($7.50) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $18.60, Hero raises to $42.40 all in, SB calls $19.10 all in

River: ($82.90) A

(2 players - 2 are all in)

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09-01-2009 , 09:26 PM

PwningNubs

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 246

seems pretty standard i dont think im ever ever foldin tptk with the nut fd

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09-01-2009 , 09:28 PM

Dumuzi

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,621

call or shove over the turn raise. doesnt matter much either way. just keep firing when checked to and dont fold.

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09-01-2009 , 09:35 PM

happyhour456

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well, I have really good equity, no question, but on what hand or what type of hand do you put SB on?

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09-01-2009 , 10:04 PM

uncledunkel

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what hand does he c/r that you are happy to get it in vs? esp 160bb deep

how large is your sample on him? have you been firing two barrels a lot recently? have you seen him bluff raise ever?

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09-01-2009 , 10:16 PM

Vpopov81

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 149

ya I think shoving is what most of us would do, but with a solid read its an easy call followed by a tough decision on river.

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09-02-2009 , 12:20 AM

Bad Beat Wizard

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Originally Posted by happyhour456

well, I have really good equity, no question, but on what hand or what type of hand do you put SB on?

actually, u don't. this is like balugas except 160bb deep with a flush draw. it looks pretty but i reckon its really close. that said i'd felt it too prob

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09-02-2009 , 12:25 AM

uncledunkel

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also, for future reference, please don't show anything after you shoved (that he called and what the river was) b/c it is completely irrelevant and can skew opinions

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09-02-2009 , 12:32 AM

Tanner1274

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 452

Passive fish c/c down with draws, and they c/c down with TPGK. So when you are c/r'd the only equity you have is your FD equity since your AK is rarely ahead on its own. If you have odds/ implied odds to just call turn, do so. But his hand range is A9, 99, 22, A7, A4, A2, so that range you simply have a draw against. I would fold without odds, since all you have is your draw.

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09-02-2009 , 08:28 AM

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happyhour456

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The problem is, I'm feeling commited, when I'm calling the turn. Folding a non-spade river sucks hard. I cannot see, which line is best in this spot, espacially because we a nearly 200 BB deep.

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09-02-2009 , 08:34 AM

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kwl061

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looks fine to me.

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09-02-2009 , 08:38 AM

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robinfromthehood

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,865

We have pretty much 0 FE here as we are giving him 3:1 on a call on the turn. Just got to figure what range he does this with; obv it looks like a set, but does he do it with worse?

We can't ever ever flat the turn and fold a non-spade river. It's shove or fold, and if we shove we are unlikely to be ahead that often.

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09-02-2009 , 08:39 AM

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DonkeyKoong

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Daaaa, you're behind everytime.

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09-02-2009 , 08:43 AM

#14

EV+ Eevee

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Originally Posted by Tanner1274

I tend to side with this

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09-02-2009 , 08:48 AM

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MrNutflush

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I don't like shipping it here at all. I'd say your ahead of him only like 5%-10% of the time and drawing only to a

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You have position so I think it's acceptable to call an stack off if you hit the nuts or a K (I think A9 is a good portion of his range). But this should be pretty close. Shipping it in on the other hand seems to be always wrong tbh.

Edit: Calling maybe pretty horrible, didn't do any math on this.

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09-02-2009 , 08:50 AM

#16

Seeeno

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I would only hold 22;99 or A9 in this spot. Pretty much sense. Strong line from him
but villain is not me, and most villains sucks.
What equity do we have vs A9,22 and 99?
We should put in AK and AQ here too, some villains will flat these pre vs a UTG raiser and will wait for the turn to raise even on drawy boards.
So I'd say AJ AQ AK AT A9 99 22

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09-02-2009 , 08:56 AM

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EV+ Eevee

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What about A2/A4?

Against that range we're good but I think in particular putting hands like AJ/AT etc is pretty optimistic! And ommitting the two above seems odd.

Even AK/AQ I'm not convinced by...

Last edited by EV+ Eevee; 09-02-2009 at 09:01 AM.

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