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10-02-2009 , 04:45 PM

wmermus

adept

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,082

The villain was 9/0/1.33 over 60 hands. 0 3bet. Is it right to call the 3bet?
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $4.99
BTN: $7.17
SB: $9.83
BB: $9.12
UTG: $9.79
Hero (UTG+1): $10.00
MP1: $5.09
MP2: $11.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG+1 with K

UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 raises to $0.90, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.92) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $1, Hero folds

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10-02-2009 , 04:59 PM

WhiskeyPete

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Looks fine, though I could see folding to the 3bet. A lot of these nitty set-miner 10/0/1 types will only raise pre with KK or AA. As played, definitely fold the flop; even assuming {JJ+/AK} you're way behind his range after the flop, despite villain's wimpy cbet sizing.

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10-02-2009 , 05:05 PM

HappyPixel

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,586

Easy fold pre

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10-02-2009 , 05:09 PM

stranglylucid

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I would honestly let this one go. Yes, they might be looser than their stats show, but if they are, its not by much. Your out of position and won't get any action unless you hit a flush draw. If you had the implied odds of a C-bet from QQ when they miss, then it would be a call, but against a player this nitty, I doubt you will get one. So you have to call .60 to win 1.92. You will hit an A or K about 30% of the time. Sounds like you have enough odds to call, but you have to take into account hitting an A or K and still having the second best hand. Let him have his 3 BB and seal from him ATC.

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10-02-2009 , 05:14 PM

wmermus

adept

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Originally Posted by HappyPixel

Easy fold pre

That's what I suspected. But could you elaborate?

I figured his range is JJ+, i.e. 12 combinations of JJ/QQ and 6 combinations of KK/AA. I have about 35% to catch A or K if he holds JJ/QQ on flop... So I am about 2 to 3 underdog here, right? Pot odds are better than that. And this does not take flushes into account

Last edited by wmermus; 10-02-2009 at 05:17 PM. Reason: addition

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10-02-2009 , 05:18 PM

HappyPixel

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Originally Posted by wmermus

He hasn't raised a single hand after 60 hands so his 3betting range is probably something like QQ+ or KK+... your equity is pretty poor vs either of those ranges and you're OOP so it's going to be really difficult to play postflop. Even if you hit your A or K you're not getting more than 1 street of value out of worse hands and you're going to get valuetowned by his better hands.

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10-02-2009 , 05:20 PM

wmermus

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Good staff. I will keep that in mind in the future

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10-02-2009 , 05:29 PM

stranglylucid

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Your right and wrong. Their range might be JJ+, but it is more likely to be QQ+ or even just AA. This is a player who hasn't raised once in 60 hands, and now they are 3-betting. So, lets say that there is a 25% chance their betting JJ plus, QQ plus, KK plus and AA plus respectively here. Do you really want to hit an A or K in this situation, or even 2 pair?

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10-03-2009 , 04:01 PM

WhiskeyPete

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Oops I don't know what I was thinking earlier. Fold this to the 3bet.

noob question: Would it be okay to fold queens here? What about kings? I know "should I fold KK pre" is a common stupid question but against this uber-nit it seems like you wouldn't be leaving any money on the table.

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