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AK - When should I take control? AK - When should I take control?

06-23-2008 , 09:20 AM
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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Hero (BTN): $11.75
SB: $27.75
BB: $10.25
UTG: $17.40

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 6 A 2 (2 Players)
UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) 5 (2 Players)
UTG bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

River: ($5.65) A (2 Players)
UTG bets $14.65 and is All-In, Hero ??

Information - Villian is running around 30 / 24 and reasonably agressive.

I felt with the board texture being fairly dry I was in a position to let the villian bet himself into me. Should I have taken control and raised on the turn though?

Either way - Where would you take control of this pot (if you would do it differently), and secondly, what would you do in this situation?
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06-23-2008 , 09:30 AM
I would have 3-bet pot with AK pre-flop in order to take initiative in the hand. AK is a good hand and you want to 3-bet because you have good equity in the hand and you also have folding equity.

As played I think it depends on what hands the villain is willing to call a raise with. I think that a raise on the turn is pretty reasonable if villain is willing to call with weaker A's. And given villains stats I think I would put in a raise on the turn. On the river I think that I would snap call. The board is really dry with no flushes and only 34 makes a straight. There could be boats, but I think this could easily be weaker A's
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06-23-2008 , 09:32 AM
As played, call, you havent exactly repped a strong A yet. Normally I like to start taking over the pot Preflop
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06-23-2008 , 09:33 AM
Wow you played that VERY passively.

Im 3 betting an aggro villain on the button like ALOT especially with AK...

And post-flop I'm generally going to raise either the flop or turn.

As played i wouldn't think of folding EVER.. Snap call!

Stop calling and start raising!
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06-23-2008 , 09:33 AM
I think vs an agro maniac you played this fine, and call river.

You can raise flop or turn if you want and think he stacks off w/ AQ/AJ, otherwise its very tough for him to catch up so just let him barrel into us because we have position.
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06-23-2008 , 09:38 AM
Preflop you're likely to have the best hand or flipping against his pp : make him pay to see a flop with whatever hand he elected to raise. I'd 3bet to 1,2$. If you flop an A or a K, it will be easier to build a large pot. If you miss, you can represent an overpair and try to pick up the pot with a cbet.

Once you chose to cold call preflop, I don't see where you could raise except on the river but villain already put all his money in for you. I'd call and kick myself for my pf play if villain shows some dumb A2s or 55...
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06-23-2008 , 09:42 AM
raise preflop, raise flop this had was played so passively you are very lucky to have him bet this river like this
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06-23-2008 , 09:44 AM
dlorc is following my line of thinking I suppose.

I felt it was a little more profitable (at the time) to call, my reasons a bit more layed out are as follows.

- Firstly, nothing rules out the aggro donk trying to push me off with air, especially since I haven't repped a strong ace by 3 betting pf. First re-raise or resistance will stop this.
- Secondly, I don't want a huge pot, I've still only got TPTK until the river so a medium sized pot will do me fine.
- Thirdly, if he does have an ace I can still re-raise a decient sized third bet on the river to almost put him all in if I think the situation warrants it (obviously I didn't expect a shove).

Saying that, I think that the 3bet preflop is valid, its a personal habit that I think AK is a very over rated hand (or I should say over valued, in cash games), I tend to run into issues 3 betting it preflop, especially missing flop and when you do hit it hard, it tends to be a bit draw heavy (i.e. A K T comes or something).

Do these arguments cancel out a turn raise? Seems the concensus is instant call on river.
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06-23-2008 , 09:58 AM
3 bet preflop. This is 6max, so you rate to be way ahead of his range and you have position. If this were FR I might be more cautious vs. UTG raiser, but even then i'd 3 bet a high %, because it sets us up to get our stack in much easier if we hit on a favorable board.

As played, I don't mind the calling on the flop and even on the turn. The villian likely has a weaker ace we are crushing or nothing which we are crushing or a set or something that crushes us. So I don't see a huge reason to raise it up. Give him some rope instead.

On the river, easy call at the micro stakes i'd say, there is a strong likelyhood he has a worse ace. If he has a FH, oh well reload.
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06-23-2008 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CazicT
3 bet preflop. This is 6max, so you rate to be way ahead of his range and you have position. If this were FR I might be more cautious vs. UTG raiser, but even then i'd 3 bet a high %, because it sets us up to get our stack in much easier if we hit on a favorable board.

As played, I don't mind the calling on the flop and even on the turn. The villian likely has a weaker ace we are crushing or nothing which we are crushing or a set or something that crushes us. So I don't see a huge reason to raise it up. Give him some rope instead.

On the river, easy call at the micro stakes i'd say, there is a strong likelyhood he has a worse ace. If he has a FH, oh well reload.
This.

I would have 3bet preflop. As you played, I like it.
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06-23-2008 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CazicT
3 bet preflop. This is 6max, so you rate to be way ahead of his range and you have position. If this were FR I might be more cautious vs. UTG raiser, but even then i'd 3 bet a high %, because it sets us up to get our stack in much easier if we hit on a favorable board.

As played, I don't mind the calling on the flop and even on the turn. The villian likely has a weaker ace we are crushing or nothing which we are crushing or a set or something that crushes us. So I don't see a huge reason to raise it up. Give him some rope instead.

On the river, easy call at the micro stakes i'd say, there is a strong likelyhood he has a worse ace. If he has a FH, oh well reload.
Exactly.

Don't even think about folding the river. It's definitely a call.
You shouldn't play so passively in other situations. It's ok here since you have postion, the flop is dry and he start to attack and looks happy to do the job.
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06-23-2008 , 10:26 AM
I would 3bet pf as everyone else has said. Otherwise I like it a lot.
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06-23-2008 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Peleus
the aggro donk trying to push me off with air
You wrote in your first post that villain was "reasonably agressive", not an "aggro donk".

Whatever, I think that your line is OK if you planned to let him value bet himself from the beginning (i.e. preflop) but now you have to follow your plan and call. I think it would be silly to fold at this point where the board looks as good as he can be for your hand, hence the "consensus".

If I, M. Weaktight, was villain in this hand, you'd be toasted by my 55 (I actually won a very similar hand 2 days ago where I turned my set against AK top2 slowplayed pf and on flop) : hope you're "aggro donk" read is good...
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06-23-2008 , 10:32 AM
I really liked how you played the hand against this villian. 3 betting pre is definitely possible, but against this kind of villian I don't mind mixing it up and flatting in position. I guess it depends on what type of aggro he is, but a lot of them will just fire and until they meet resistance and under repping your hand can usually give you an advantage.
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