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Old 07-05-2006, 04:47 PM   #26
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yeah, gave you too much credit. oh well, i told you donkeys can't lay down big aces.
Hehe. Just bustin' your balls, fish. =P
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:51 PM   #27
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What is the read? 22-AA, AJs+?

That he would lay down QQ?

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These, and whether or not I think he might call with a worse hand.
By worse hand you mean an unpaired hand weaker than AK? I don't think I've ever had that read on someone. I'm sure there out there though.

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My 4bet all-ins from Hijack position got called by AQ twice last month at NL400.
FWIW, both opponents were 2+2ers
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:56 PM   #28
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yeah, gave you too much credit. oh well, i told you donkeys can't lay down big aces.
Hehe. Just bustin' your balls, fish. =P
I know. I already posted another one where I donkey-called all in with AQ. I'm just a fish. I have plenty more where these two came from as well.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP ($648.47)
CO ($500)
TWP ($597)
SB ($597.67)
BB ($1191.08)
UTG ($613)

Preflop: TWP is Button with A, Q. SB posts a blind of $3.
3 folds, TWP raises to $25, SB (poster) calls $22, BB raises to $94, TWP calls $572 (All-In), SB folds, BB calls $497.

Flop: ($1219) 6, 3, A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($1219) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1219) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1219

BB has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and sixes).
TWP has As Qs (two pair, aces and sixes).
Outcome: TWP wins $1204. BB wins $15.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ TWP (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

CO ($443.82)
Button ($1508.24)
SB ($892.05)
TWP ($1274.02)
UTG ($952.25)
MP ($2300.25)

Preflop: TWP is BB with A, Q. CO posts a blind of $10. SB posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, MP calls $10, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, TWP raises to $60, MP calls $60, CO calls $60, SB folds.

Flop: ($220) 9, 9, 5 (3 players)
TWP bets $200, MP folds, CO calls $373.82 (All-In), TWP calls $173.82.

Turn: ($967.64) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($967.64) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $967.64

TWP has Ac Qc (two pair, jacks and nines).
CO has 3d 3h (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: TWP wins $967.64.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ TWP (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB ($496.56)
TWP ($394)
UTG ($657.97)
MP ($378.90)
Button ($482.60)

Preflop: TWP is BB with Q, A. SB posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, SB (poster) raises to $23, TWP raises to $86, SB calls $471.56 (All-In), TWP calls $304 (All-In).

Flop: ($890.56) 2, 9, 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($890.56) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($890.56) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $890.56

SB has Kd Ah (flush, king high).
TWP has Qc Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: TWP wins $780. SB wins $104.56.

Etc, etc, etc.
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:22 PM   #29
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Re: AK vs a reraise (concept)

All skill baby
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:27 PM   #30
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Thank god. I've been waiting for this one. Thanks Josh.
(I have some thoughts, but for now I'm just going to think through what everyone else is saying. Very good stuff.)
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:43 PM   #31
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I have to share this hand with you from john juanda 25/50 nl blinds. John the pro is the bb. No limpers to the cutoff who raises 175, no callers to john who re raises to 515. the cutoff re raises to 1350..me the dummy says this guy has aces. We are not done yet, john the pro raises 4 bets to 4100..well the cutoff was short stacked and called that and was all in preflop. 6000 to the pot, i was correct that the cutoff had aces to john juandas A/K suited..so clearly he was dominated and he did lose. I think we value that hand too much and go to far with them.
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:45 PM   #32
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I have to share this hand with you from john juanda 25/50 nl blinds. John the pro is the bb. No limpers to the cutoff who raises 175, no callers to john who re raises to 515. the cutoff re raises to 1350..me the dummy says this guy has aces. We are not done yet, john the pro raises 4 bets to 4100..well the cutoff was short stacked and called that and was all in preflop. 6000 to the pot, i was correct that the cutoff had aces to john juandas A/K suited..so clearly he was dominated and he did lose. I think we value that hand too much and go to far with them.
lol wtf
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:54 PM   #33
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Re: AK vs a reraise (concept)

The correct answer to this question depends ENTIRELY on SB's 3-betting range. fold, call, and reraise all are valid depending on the particular villan and situation.

(and what position hero is in, be prepared to play it stronger from the button as SB is likely restealing lighter)

I must say that in the MSNL games i've played lately, folding is rarely correct due to the prevalence of light 3-betting.
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:55 PM   #34
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bad table/seat selection. fold is usually correct at 5/10 and below if you don't sit in awful games.
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:05 PM   #35
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Re: AK vs a reraise (concept)

I'm up way more than I should be given my awful play so far in 2/4, but AK is a huge loser (down over $1k) for me. I have no clue how to play this hand. In donkamanets it's awesome because you can get all in against A9-AQ (or even A2), but I haven't once seen AK get allin ahead since I've been playing 2/4NL. Playing AK is either much more complicated than I would have thought, or much simplier than I would have thought. I'm bookmarking this thread.
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:07 PM   #36
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you will make most of your money with AK by smooth calling raises in position.
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:26 PM   #37
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The answer is it depends on your opponent
Against players hwo are tight but either reraise to little or we have deep enough stack I would much rather have 910s or 88 than AK. Agsint players who reraise me a lot then were going to the felt. Ofcourse Id much rather it suited, but being hard to get dealt AKs shouldnt be the only reason you play it. You realize its as hard to get dealt as 92s or anyother suited crap.
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:46 AM   #38
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you will make most of your money with AK by smooth calling raises in position.
Sounds like great advice.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:20 AM   #39
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Re: AK vs a reraise (concept)

might be that im playing vs awful lagtard regulars but AK in a steal situation is the nuts. ppl get it in with AJs, TT and stuff like this. Also, wtf is our 4betting range then? KK+?
i still hope everyone is leveling here
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I must say that in the MSNL games i've played lately, folding is rarely correct due to the prevalence of light 3-betting.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:50 AM   #40
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You might want to check the date.
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Old 09-01-2007, 11:04 AM   #41
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LOL, unbelievable how the games have changed. sry and screw the guy quoting 1year old posts
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Old 09-01-2007, 11:24 AM   #42
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haha yeah this thread is funny.
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Old 09-01-2007, 11:28 AM   #43
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LOL, unbelievable how the games have changed. sry and screw the guy quoting 1year old posts
i ws just about to type that



folding AK is ridiculous now!
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Old 09-01-2007, 11:46 AM   #44
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You might want to check the date.
lawlz i was reading this post, thinking "WTF WTF WTF."
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Old 09-01-2007, 12:36 PM   #45
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haha I love this thread
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:27 PM   #46
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You might want to check the date.
lawlz i was reading this post, thinking "WTF WTF WTF."
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:44 PM   #47
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lollll wow
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:49 PM   #48
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omg i just read this whole thread w/o seeing the date. i was like wtf is going on hahahaha
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:50 PM   #49
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How would u make the most money by smooth calling ak in position all the time? theres goin to be a c bet such a large percentage of the time when you dont hit anything. I think against a frequent 3 bettor out of the blinds a 4bet is necessary most of the time and oop against a frequent 3 bettor its the same thing since those two spots are where people habitually abuse the 3bet. Against people with a tighter range smooth calling with ak is pretty necessary since you are almost always against some kind of pair large pair they are goin all the way with but when u hit an A or k is slows them down big time. It is the right thing to do but still isnt that cool at all.
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Old 09-01-2007, 02:14 PM   #50
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wow, i made it halfway through the thread before I saw an Aejones post and knew it was old! Was reading these posts and about to lose my mind
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