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AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn

07-22-2008 , 08:13 PM
Vill was 27/4/.49 over only 77 hands.
With his low AF and PF raise his range can be pretty disguised to as strong as AQ or some kinna Ax that flops 2pr, or a set.. I think my line is pretty standard..he was very fishy and the type to call down a lot with tp . I Didn't like the idea of going for a check raise with his low AF it's so likely he will check behind with hands im beating. So this raise seems like an obv 2pr or better hand.. Do I have to get it in in this spot?.. the hand isn;t as strong as it seems vs this player i dont think.




Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $45.20
Hero (BB): $25.70
UTG: $34.80
MP: $9.45
CO: $26.25
BTN: $10.50

Pre-Flop: K A dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO calls $1

Flop: ($2.60) 3 8 A (2 Players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $5.25, CO raises to $15
AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn Quote
07-22-2008 , 08:31 PM
shove all day. even if he has AA, QQ, 88 its still a shove
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07-22-2008 , 08:32 PM
You'd be getting 2:1 for a shove, which isn't the right price against 2pr or a set. He's going to need to have AJ, KQ, 9d8d, JdTd, etc. often enough to make it right to shove there. If you call, you're getting the right price if a K is an out for you (as well as the spade). I'm probably shoving here, but this opponent seems like he has you beat.
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07-22-2008 , 08:55 PM
your not counting the times he is folding

Last edited by kerk; 07-22-2008 at 08:55 PM. Reason: im a retard
AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn Quote
07-22-2008 , 09:03 PM
he never folding. calling station`s like him. don`t play back(bluff) @ turn
and I think oponent like him, dont play a draw so aggressiv.

i think fold is best. vs another player i shove too.

i think preflop you shuld more raise. 4BB+1 per limper +1 because your OOP.
he is calling station he calls anyway
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07-22-2008 , 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kerk
your not counting the times he is folding
Which makes the push even worse?

He's never going to fold hands that beat AK in this spot. I think it's unlikey that he folds a worst Ace aswell, but if he will lay it down, then pushing is even more bad of a play.
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07-22-2008 , 09:08 PM
He's not folding because it's $7 more in a $37 pot, which I think kerk quickly realized.
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07-22-2008 , 09:10 PM
I think this is a definite fold against this type of villain.
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07-22-2008 , 09:22 PM
There's no way I'll ever give him credit for AQ when he limp/called preflop from the cutoff. Not sure if a call or shove is better but I'm certainly not folding.
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07-22-2008 , 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyFrostSalvo
There's no way I'll ever give him credit for AQ when he limp/called preflop from the cutoff. Not sure if a call or shove is better but I'm certainly not folding.
are you folding to his 7$ river bet on a blank river then?
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07-23-2008 , 12:12 AM
Calling is not an option because with $8 behind after his raise, it'll be going in on the river anyways.

It's either a shove or a fold on the turn... and I'm not folding.

Stoving:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,188 games 0.005 secs 237,600 games/sec

Board: 3d 8s Ad Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 74.495% 74.49% 00.00% 885 0.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 25.505% 25.51% 00.00% 303 0.00 { 88, 33, KQs, QJs, KQo, QJo }
AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn Quote
07-23-2008 , 12:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aao
Calling is not an option because with $8 behind after his raise, it'll be going in on the river anyways.

It's either a shove or a fold on the turn... and I'm not folding.

Stoving:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,188 games 0.005 secs 237,600 games/sec

Board: 3d 8s Ad Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 74.495% 74.49% 00.00% 885 0.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 25.505% 25.51% 00.00% 303 0.00 { 88, 33, KQs, QJs, KQo, QJo }
Absolutely no way Villain has KQo or QJo as often as shown there. KdQd or QdJd is possible, others are just too unlikely. How often is Villain floating really?

This is more likely:

Board: Ad Qs 8s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.636% 38.64% 00.00% 238 0.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 61.364% 61.36% 00.00% 378 0.00 { 88, 33, A8s, A3s, KdQd, QdJd, 9d8d, 8d7d }

You're getting the right price against this range, add in some bluffs and Ax (not 2 pair), and it just makes it better. But no way are you a 3 to 1 favorite against his range.
AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn Quote
07-23-2008 , 12:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by findingneema
Absolutely no way Villain has KQo or QJo as often as shown there. KdQd or QdJd is possible, others are just too unlikely. How often is Villain floating really?

This is more likely:

Board: Ad Qs 8s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.636% 38.64% 00.00% 238 0.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 61.364% 61.36% 00.00% 378 0.00 { 88, 33, A8s, A3s, KdQd, QdJd, 9d8d, 8d7d }

You're getting the right price against this range, add in some bluffs and Ax (not 2 pair), and it just makes it better. But no way are you a 3 to 1 favorite against his range.

i think this is perfect and explains the math behind shoving.
you really cant do anything else.

2s makes it harder to shove. but Qs adds so many more hands into the range. shove please, never call, folding seems really bad
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07-23-2008 , 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kerk
are you folding to his 7$ river bet on a blank river then?
This
AK+ Nut draw 3-bet turn Quote
07-23-2008 , 02:35 AM
No I don't think you should flat the turn raise, by that point it is shove or fold imo.

Also, if you don't shove the turn, he can get away for his last $7 if the flush card hits. You don't want that, so put the money in now.
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