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AK makes top pair vs. ultra-aggressive villain, 3bet pot, turn and river make 4 to a straight AK makes top pair vs. ultra-aggressive villain, 3bet pot, turn and river make 4 to a straight

06-18-2010 , 12:40 AM
Villain is 22/19 over 35 hands or so; his total aggression percentage is 80% and he has fired the 2nd barrel 100% of the time so far (only 2 times though).



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CO: $6.99
BTN: $9.66
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $20.04
UTG: $10.00
MP: $15.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, MP calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40) 6 7 K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

Turn: ($5.60) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($11.60) T (2 players)
Hero bets $4.25 all in, MP calls $4.25
AK makes top pair vs. ultra-aggressive villain, 3bet pot, turn and river make 4 to a straight Quote
06-18-2010 , 12:42 AM
bet bet shove

are you bluffing the river?
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06-18-2010 , 12:43 AM
bet flop bet turn and probably bet river. 35 hands and 2 barreling twice is not enough of a read to say ultra aggressive
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06-18-2010 , 12:43 AM
Shove turn
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06-18-2010 , 12:48 AM
if youre gonna play it like this, you have to c/jam turn imo
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06-18-2010 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kidacao
bet bet shove

are you bluffing the river?
yeah...
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06-18-2010 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich
yeah...
and what are you trying to get fold for less than half pot in a 3bet pot?
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06-18-2010 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by uganation
and what are you trying to get fold for less than half pot in a 3bet pot?
two pair type hands, AA...
it didn't work, he had aces and called

anyway you're right, he's not folding anything.
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06-18-2010 , 01:17 AM
those of you who are saying to CRAI on the turn -- can you explain to me your thinking a little?

at the time I was thinking that c/raising the turn would get me more folds due to beluga, when i wanted to get called by worse kings, pocket queens and jacks. I guess i thought i could get stacks all in if there was just 4 behind on the river, where my bet would look weaker.

i realize this is inconsistent with what I just said about repping the straight, i guess i just didn't feel like I had any other options than to shove the rest in and it felt like a bluff but it was really a thin value bet...
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06-18-2010 , 01:23 AM
Standard line is to bet bet bet until the money is in. On this board texture, you can definitely take a non-standard line by checking the flop (win monies from hands that snap fold the K high flop). If this was my plan I'd consider c/r flop or c/c flop c/r turn. It comes down to how often I believe the player will barrel air. On this board texture, it's pretty rare, but some Villains may put you on TT and barrel. If you're trying to collect money from the weak end of his range, c/c until you believe he won't fire again. At that point, get the money in. In general, betting this flop and turn is usually far superior. But sometimes alternate lines can really be profitable. I don't really expect people to triple barrel this board without a hand that you stack on the flop anyway. Each situation is different, so adjust accordingly. I'm just trying to understand your line/thought process. I'd probably check/click back flop if I thought this line capitalized on some extra dead money. Very specific situation/read for that, though. By the time he barrels the turn, there's not enough room for him to ever expect you to fold a river. So that's the logic being c/shipping the turn. You still need a specific read for this. That's why I check/click back this flop with TPTK. I figure I've picked up the maximum amount of EV from the bottom of his range (since he's not barreling), so it's time to build the pot for protection of equity and value. You're never folding and you never worry about "only getting action from worse". When your hand is the virtual nuts in a 3bet pot, you're stacking 100% of the time. The only question is, "how do I do it most profitably"? Sorry you ran into AA.

Last edited by Swingin; 06-18-2010 at 01:33 AM.
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06-18-2010 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich
those of you who are saying to CRAI on the turn -- can you explain to me your thinking a little?
Because there isnt much left in stacks villains pretty unlikely to bluff the river when you call the turn, so you're better off shoving the turn since he won't be able to fold A9/A5/98 etc since he's calling 4$ in like a 16$ pot. Also if he's never putting more money into the pot unimproved with a hand like 22/A6 or whatever we want him to fold out his equity share (even though it's small) on the turn.
Now if you think villain could fire again on the river with his air, c/c down becomes better, but cr'ing the turn is probably the best play at this point since you don't really know if he's ******ed enough to bluff the river.
I don't think he's more likely to call a shove on the river as opposed to the turn with a hand like JJ, in fact he's probably never folding on the turn, but he might fold if the river brings 4 to a straight (you obv seem to think he might since you claim to be bluffing the river).
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06-18-2010 , 03:53 AM
thanks all...
especially swinger & blaaz, good analysis.
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